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Re: Hodgdon 32-40 Cartridge Loading Data
Reply #15 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:49pm
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Vall, my experience when going back to fixed from having shot breech seated in that .32 for a long time showed me that some loads did fine at both, but others had to be redeveloped. At least to keep the level of accuracy decent. I have no doubt that the pressure and velocities changed, but my level of loading wasn't a fear in a high wall- could be different in some other applications, such as your valuable Schoyen. 
My guess is that  you ought to be safe with the "traditional" range of loads and powders, but please be safe. We ain't done with you just yet. Go shoot a bug-hole group with it for us.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 26th, 2016 at 2:15pm
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Now, in this chart, the Miller bullet is about equal to the Pope style. Doesn't make sense to me. Why does it change from way down in pressure(even at higher charges) fixed, while gaining in rank to near the top with breech seating? I know powder change might, might explain it here in the H108- but it's illogical in the earlier chart, ain't it? 
I have never seen this chart, John. Not sure I've ever seen another list from a powder company that showed results for breech seated bullets. Maybe I saw it, but disregarded it because of the powder involved. Thank for digging it up, though.
  
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Re: Hodgdon 32-40 Cartridge Loading Data
Reply #17 - Jul 26th, 2016 at 3:33pm
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calledflyer wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:49pm:
Vall, my experience when going back to fixed from having shot breech seated in that .32 for a long time showed me that some loads did fine at both, but others had to be redeveloped. At least to keep the level of accuracy decent. I have no doubt that the pressure and velocities changed, but my level of loading wasn't a fear in a high wall- could be different in some other applications, such as your valuable Schoyen. 
My guess is that  you ought to be safe with the "traditional" range of loads and powders, but please be safe. We ain't done with you just yet. Go shoot a bug-hole group with it for us.


My interest was basically curiosity, and not interest in pushing the boundaries! Most schuetzen competitors shoot their loads at higher velocities and pressures than I ever come close to in my guns. My loads generally stay down around 1200-1300 fps, and very low pressures.
I just noticed in my .32-40 breech seating foray recently that the same powder charge and bullet weight seemed to sound and feel milder than it does as a fixed bullet load. So was interested in what the pressure and velocity differences might be?
  

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Re: Hodgdon 32-40 Cartridge Loading Data
Reply #18 - Jul 26th, 2016 at 3:35pm
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Thanks for the breech seating data John! I'll have to see if I can find the same data for that (or similar) powder, so I can see what the difference might be?

edit-I found this data, which puzzles me. It shows the exact same velocity, etc. for fixed ammo? Need to look further I guess?
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Re: Hodgdon 32-40 Cartridge Loading Data
Reply #19 - Jul 26th, 2016 at 3:54pm
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John, I have that, and other powder burn rate charts. The list I was referring to was, of course, the Hodgdon one showing the H108 breech seated results. That's what is new to me. For what it's worth, I don't think a burn rate chart is a whole lot of use beyond the most basic of information. How far is the jump from say, number 20 to number 21? Is it the same jump from 21 to 22? Don't bet on it. Nearly of no real value.
Vall, I'm almost glad to hear that you are getting confused too Cheesy
In my old ones, I also keep my loads well onto the safe side- one of the reasons I'm leery of trying new (ball) powders. I feel more secure with things that have been loaded into 'em since the dark ages. Even when I've shot gascheck slugs in my .32, they have been pretty conservative.
  
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Re: Hodgdon 32-40 Cartridge Loading Data
Reply #20 - Jul 26th, 2016 at 4:57pm
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John, it's not really fear that prevents me, nor was it ever likely that exactly. Unless it's that I simply don't want to risk harm to a wonderful old rifle. I have used ball powders in revolvers, but not in a cast rifle. In other types of shooting I've probably shot s--t that might have scared you, never feared it though.
Unlike you, and many other competitors, I can't just replace my barrel. Or for that matter, do I want to if I could. I like it because it's a piece of the past. 
When the subject came up- until recently when some on this list shared information on  using ball powder- I didn't know if it was a good idea. Even in a strong rifle, the barrel could be damaged with a mistake. So, I take the more certain, if stodgy, route. I don't shoot four pounds of powder in that rifle in two years. Maybe someday I'll get around to doing something different, but I'm good right now- in fact it's probably me that'll be the limiting factor here. Mr. Hudson, I'm not.
And, I'm not giving anybody advice for competing, just for getting a fun day out shooting here and there. You, and others on the competitive edge of the field can have your razor-edge loads, my antique is sufficient to itself. This isn't argumentative, just a different take on shooting than yours is.
  
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