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Jul 14th, 2016 at 7:04am
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Looked but cold not find anything.

Anyone have a list showing the dates of manufacture of both Stevens 44 and 44 1/2 by serial number?
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 9:02am
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All of those records were either lost or thrown out. The best you can do is guess.

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Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 9:52am
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40_Rod wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 9:02am:
All of those records were either lost or thrown out. The best you can do is guess.

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No, they're not lost--they've merely been put into long-term storage...somewhere in the Chicopee Falls landfill.  This happened under Savage ownership sometime after WW II, according to some Stevens old-timers Gary Quinlan interviewed in the '70s.

  
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Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 11:04am
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I've been building a database of Model 44s, drawing on online listings, a few from my own and others' collections.  I can now establish some date ranges based on features, but this is a poor substitute compared the the factory records that Westinghouse destroyed to prevent investigation of its' war profiteering during World War One.  
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Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 11:23am
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uscra112 wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 11:04am:
I've been building a database of Model 44s, drawing on online listings, a few from my own and others' collections.  I can now establish some date ranges based on features, but this is a poor substitute compared the the factory records that Westinghouse destroyed to prevent investigation of its' war profiteering.   


I don't doubt Westinghouse destroyed records pertaining to their war profiteering on Moisin-Nagant production, but there would have been no need to destroy records of commercial production, and Stevens still existed as an independent company, though dormant during the war.  The big house-cleaning came under Savage ownership.

It isn't even known, to the best of my knowledge, if Stevens maintained records on individual serial numbers, except maybe special-orders.  There may have been records only on production of models by year, though even they would be invaluable if still available.   


  
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Reply #5 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 1:48pm
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Here's the Chicopee City Historian's take on it.

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George Westinghouse was not a nice man.  What he did to Nicola Tesla ranks as one of the worst industrial crimes of the 19th century.
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 2:15pm
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uscra112 wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

George Westinghouse was not a nice man.  What he did to Nicola Tesla ranks as one of the worst industrial crimes of the 19th century.


Matched by what Edison did to him, when Tesla was in his employ.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 6:03pm
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uscra112 wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 1:48pm:
Here's the Chicopee City Historian's take on it.

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That "history of J. Stevens Arms written in 1942" is something I've never heard of--what could he be talking about?  A piece that appeared in a local newspaper, perhaps?  The most complete history of the company I've seen (thought it's only a few pages in length), considered apart from its products, is Kenneth Cope's, and his bibliography includes nothing written in 1942.

If Page owned the company free & clear, his buyout should have greatly exceeded one million...unless there was a heavy debt load.  How he, originally only the Secretary & Book-keeper, acquired the assets to buy out Stevens and the other partners has always mystified me; suppose he could have borrowed the money. 

Doesn't seem plausible that the Russian gov't would have "invested" 30 million in the Stevens plant.  If that was the value of the total contract, it would not have been paid in a single lump sum--especially by the penny-pinching Czarist gov't.  And of course the contract was never completed, nor were any arms, I don't think, actually delivered to the Russians.  (One place they did end up was in the hands of US soldiers assigned to stateside guard duties--I've seen somewhere a photo of one of them holding a M-N.)

One thing said in this piece that does make sense is that the records destroyed were those for wartime production.  I'm a little hesitant, however, to place enormous confidence in an account written by someone who calls a M-N a "field-piece."


  
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Reply #8 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 9:37pm
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The "1942 history" is reprinted in Jay Kimmel's book.  Page 128 if you have it.   The writer is anonymous, and Kimmel's source was the "Springfield Armory National Historic Archives."

The statement about the suspicious fire is actually in a note that Kimmel inserted in the reprint, and he does not mention his source, although I won't believe he didn't have one.  Such a fire would certainly have made the newspapers, if anyone had the tools and time to do a search, which he may have. 

Irving Page was a money man.  When he took over in 1896 the company was still small, but he embarked on a massive expansion right away, apparently within months.  That strongly implies to me, too, that he was borrowing a lot of money.  The equity he actually held in 1915 might have been small, and that would neatly explain how the company was snatched away from him so easily by Westinghouse.   A good friend of mine suffered the same fate in the 1970's, due to his having borrowed too heavily from a predatory cabal of venture capitalists. 
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Reply #9 - Jul 14th, 2016 at 10:38pm
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Very Interesting:
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In Chicopee Falls, a major fire destroyed most of the wartime records of the Stevens company immediately following word that congressional staffers were coming to Western Massachusetts. Several company executives were relocated, and that was just about the time the baron and baroness of Chicopee Falls left for greener pastures.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 8:57am
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I noticed in reading the bibliography of a Wikipedia entry that Joe Vorisek, (whom I have known only for his booklet on the Hopkins & Allen), also wrote a "short history" of the Stevens company, and that Abby has a reprint at Cornell Pubs.  So of course I ordered one last night, just to see what's in it.
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 15th, 2016 at 9:52am
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uscra112 wrote on Jul 14th, 2016 at 9:37pm:
The "1942 history" is reprinted in Jay Kimmel's book.  Page 128 if you have it... 


I don't and I'm not going to buy it to read that page, but if you have Kenneth Cope's handgun & pocket-rifle book, I'd like to know how the two compare, and if they differ on any significant points.
  
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