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LES38 Ex Member	Re: Breech seating and black powder? Reply #15 - Jul 9^th, 2016 at 4:19pm	Print Post
	RSW wrote on Jul 9^th, 2016 at 11:12am: LES38 Theories differ but in essence, it prevents small kernels of powder from getting through the flash hole and resting against the primer. This might happen on some cartridges but not others and could cause inconsistent powder ignition. Others claim it slightly lessens primer brisance (flash intensity) as most of today's primers give more flash than is needed to ignite black powder. Illustration shows how to seat primer pocket wad. Interesting. Thank you. This thread has been very informative. I've been shooting and reloading for more years than I care to mention, (smokeless only), and never heard of any of this. The illustrations have been especially helpful.


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Travelor Full Member Offline Posts: 132 Location: Central Arkansas Joined: May 5^th, 2008	Re: Breech seating and black powder? Reply #16 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 7:38am	Print Post
	The cases, bullet molds, breech seater, and reloading dies came in yesterday. Everything is exactly as advertised OR BETTER. Cases are in the stainless steel tumbling media as I type this. Gun to be delivered today. One more question though, what mix of lead should I mold for this gun? I'm thinking pretty soft as I am looking for around 1200 fps, but let me know. Now if it will just be a little cooler for a casting session. Thanks guys for being so helpful.


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1299 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Breech seating and black powder? Reply #17 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:51am	Print Post
	Travelor 1:20 (1 part tin, 20 parts lead by weight) is a good starting place. Only shooting with different alloys will determine which will be most accurate in your rifle. However, *don't waste a lot of time fooling around with different alloys until you work out powder, primers and loading technique*. Does your breech seating tool have mechanical leverage? If it does, you should be able to seat bullets of just about any hardness.

	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
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Travelor Full Member Offline Posts: 132 Location: Central Arkansas Joined: May 5^th, 2008	Re: Breech seating and black powder? Reply #18 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 7:33am	Print Post
	RSW, nope.. My seater is just a push rod with cartridge case shell. George


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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1299 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Breech seating and black powder? Reply #19 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:46am	Print Post
	In that case, you should lube a bullet (rubbing lube on by hand will suffice) and see if you can breech seat it. If you can, you're good to go. (don't forget to push that bullet back out of the throat). If not, you could cut a .25 inch diameter rod (brass, aluminum, even wood) and trim length so it protrudes about 1/16 inch from the mouth of a spare cartridge case. Then drop a lubed bullet in the chamber, insert that plugged case, close the action and *voila*, you have a low cost mechanical breech seater. Is your bullet a blunt nose traditional type or a pointy spitzer?

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Mick B Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1007 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Breech seating and black powder? Reply #20 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 9:28pm	Print Post
	I would also go with Randy's 20-1 alloy mix to start with, the last thing you need to be worrying about is alloy temper. I seat my primers through computer paper because the large pistol primers I'm using are shorter and if I don't have the paper under them I get the occasional misfire. If you are worried about grains of powder getting into the primer you might try a paper disc inside the case over the flash hole. A good material to try would be either 9 lb onion skin paper which is very thin, or, cigarette paper which is nitrated I believe, so it should totally combust upon firing. I have tried both but frankly was not able to detect any difference in accuracy, YMMV. Mike.


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Travelor Full Member Offline Posts: 132 Location: Central Arkansas Joined: May 5^th, 2008	Re: Breech seating and black powder? Reply #21 - Jul 14^th, 2016 at 7:00am	Print Post
	RSW, my bullet is a flat nose. Rifle is going with me today to a 22LR match for "show and tell" with my shooting buddies. I have noticed that some of the cases I got with the gun are too long. The cases show a "crimp" at the mouth I interpret to be the throat pushing the case mouths inward. I was going to trim them, but my Forster trimmer will not hold the cases. Oh well.......... Just have to find another way. Life is about the journey and your integrity along the the way. I'm enjoying this new journey with this fine old Stevens 44 1/2.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7732 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Breech seating and black powder? Reply #22 - Jul 14^th, 2016 at 7:20am	Print Post
	Good advice all, One thing that's important, breech seating Black Powder key to good performance is clean bore shot to shot. Lot of different methods, mine is one damp patch, half anti freeze half water, one dry patch . Wipe sequence exactly the same every shot. Boats


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