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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #15 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	Ken Waters has provided good information. While he may have listed "only .32-20 handgun loads" , it is worth remembering that those 32-20 handgun loads were basically equivalent to the pressure levels of the Rifle loads introduced by WRA back in 1882 when WRA made the 32 WCF cartridge available for the Model 1873 Repeating Rifle. So those Ken Waters .32-20 handgun loads are also in effect Rifle loads, but they are not equivalent to the later higher pressure Hi-Vel loadings developed for use in the stronger Model 1892 Rifle. PS: WRA did provide a .32 M. 92 Special W.H.V. loading using the 115gr bullet (advertised at ~1635fps) before the Model 92 WHV loading using the jacketed 80gr hollowpoint bullet was developed.

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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #16 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	From Lyman #44 for 32-20 and 4227. No pressure data given. These are what I have heard called "rifle loads" since I got my 1st 32-20 Win LW in early 1950s. 100gr Jacketed 13gr 1720 fps 15gr 1985 fps 118 gr Lyman311359 Lead GC 12gr 1623 fps 14gr 1865 fps From Ideal #38 loading manual No pressure data given. Lyman3118 plain base, cast 115gr 8,6 gr 4759 1475 fps 11,0 gr 4759 1575 fps 80 gr jacketed 12,0 gr 4759 1605 fps 13,0 gr 2400 1845 fps 17,0 gr 4227 1975 fps 115gr jacketed 10,8 2400 1555 fps 4759 11,5 1636 fps USE at YOUR OWN RISK -- Better Yet, find copy of these old manuals and verify. Grisen
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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #17 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	svartkruttgris#369 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 1:48pm: Paco Kelly's article " (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)" Lists a wide range of 32-20 loads, over a wide range of chamber pressures.Grisen Excellent site, though I haven't shot any kind of levergun in decades.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #18 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	BP wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 1:50pm: So those Ken Waters .32-20 handgun loads are also in effect Rifle loads, but they are not equivalent to the later higher pressure Hi-Vel loadings developed for use in the stronger Model 1892 Rifle. Maybe, but he doesn't include slower powders that wouldn't burn efficiently in a pistol-length barrel. Would be very surprised, however, if he had not written about rifle loads in a "Pet Loads" column that didn't make it into my ed. of the book. (Sold my collection of Handloader from #1 up to about 1990 several years ago, or I'd try to find out.)


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #19 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 3:31pm	Print Post
	Lee 311-100-2R BC – 0.174 Dia – 0.311 Length – 0.583 Load Fps – 990 (4.1gr W231) Twist – 18 Stability Factor = 2.49 Maximum Stability Twist – 16 Stability Factor = 3.15 Maximum Stability Load fps – 793 (3.2gr W231) Twist – 18 Stability Factor = 2.31 Maximum Stability Twist – 16 Stability Factor = 2.92 Maximum Stability I have been doing the calculations today because I'm buying a Rossi M92 in 357 to be lined with 32-20 liner. No issues: 32-20 rounds feed into the 357 magazine - chamber and extract with no modifications needed


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #20 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 3:32pm	Print Post
	The Lyman #43 Reloading Handbook contains rifle data for the 32-20, showing: - SUG. GRS. and SUG. MAX GRS. for 2400, 4227, 4759 and Unique powders with 80gr jacketed, 100gr jacketed and 115gr jacketed bullets - SUG. GRS. (SUG. MAX GRS. is NOT provided) for Unique, H240, 2400, 4227 and 4759 powders for cast bullets from the Ideal/Lyman moulds #311419 (with a note that "For shorter range #311252 may be substitued), #31133, #3118, #311316 and #311359 The #43 manual also contains HANDGUN data for the 32-20, showing: - SUG. GRS. and SUG. MAX GRS. for Bullseye, #6, 5066, Unique and 4759 powders for cast bullets from Ideal/Lyman moulds #313249, #313226 and #3118 As always, compare data with other loading manuals.

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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #21 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	Here is what I have from a fellow shooter that is also a long-time 32-20 shooter. I do not have Ken Waters Pet Loads book, so cannot verify. Presume these are all for Lyman3118. I did check the 10,0 gr 4759 in my 32.20 LW with 28" barrel using Saceo322 120 gr bullet and got 1480 fps. Ken Waters in Pet Loads lists these 4759 loads in rifles (no pressure data): 115 gr. 8.5 SR-4759 1254 " 9.0 " " 1374 " 9.5 " " 1479 " 10.0 " " 1585 AS USUAL; USE AT YOUR OWN RISK Note that not all these data I have posted agree in detail, as is usual. Grisen
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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #22 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	Quote: ... I have been doing the calculations today because I'm buying a Rossi M92 in 357 to be lined with 32-20 liner. No issues: 32-20 rounds feed into the 357 magazine - chamber and extract with no modifications needed Got a chuckle out of this, thinking of all the WRA Model 92's in 25-20 and 32 WCF that were converted to 357 Mag, and now the process is being reversed.

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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #23 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:22pm	Print Post
	Link to download pdf of Ideal #38 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #24 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 2:26am	Print Post
	Grisen, Your #44 link doesn't work.

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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #25 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 10:15am	Print Post
	Thanks! Bummer! Thought I checked it, guess not. I did download it from somewhere years ago.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18068 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #26 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 11:38am	Print Post
	This is my friend John shooting an 1894 Marlin .32-20 at 650 yds. with good accuracy. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) And another friend on the same target with his 1894 Marlin .32-20 You'll notice he's got no long range sights, and is using his "guesstimating" skills to hold over, and allow wind drift.: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) We'll be doing this again next week at our annual get together!

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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: opinions requested 32-20 loads Reply #27 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	Here is link to a bunch of info about old factory loads in 32-20, 25-20, 44-40, 38-40 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Grisen


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