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Jun 26th, 2016 at 4:17pm
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Since I posted about the Ballard Pacific that I just bought I might as well list this Winchester 1885 High Wall in .40-82 WCF which was the last rifle I bought before the Ballard.  What can I say?  It's an addiction ... right?

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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2016 at 7:42pm
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Reverend, I like each of yer shootin' irons. Those are perfect for having a good time with. 
I never owned a Ballard, but I've been through a good batch of those Winchesters.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 4:43am
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Thanks ... I kind of like them a lot myself!  I have this Winchester HW in .40-82, a HW in .32-40, another HW that is being rebuilt into 38-55 (it was a sporterized 222R varmint rifle), and a low wall in .22 WCF.  I have another Ballard in .32-40, 4 different rolling blocks, a Trapdoor, a German Schuetzen and a German break barrel sporter (both in 9.5x47R) and a number of Winchester and Marlin lever actions.  There is even the odd muzzle-loader to round things out.  You can never have quite enough!
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Reply #3 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 8:55am
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Sound like you need a couple of Hepburns, some Stevens, and maybe a Frank Wesson or two!
Maybe a Flobert and a couple of Rugers.

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Reply #4 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 3:16am
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I've lusted after a Hepburn for years too, but haven't found one yet that I could afford or liked the looks of.  Years ago I had a customer bring in a pair of Hepburns that they were selling from an estate and they wanted an appraisal.  They were GORGEOUS!  About 95% each with perfect bores.  I would have loved to have bought them, but I had to tell them honestly that they were WAY beyond my pay grade.  They were selling them as a pair too, since they were family guns that were originally bought by two brothers in the family that were avid target shooters.  I still think of those to beautiful guns and wish ... if only ...
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I have a friend that collects Stevens single shots and maybe one day I can talk him out of one of them, but again his are all high grade and high condition guns and beyond my reach.  I can ask him to watch for a "shooter" for me though that wouldn't be up to his collection standards?  Hmmm ... got me thinking now ...

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Rebel wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 8:55am:
Sound like you need a couple of Hepburns, some Stevens, and maybe a Frank Wesson or two!
Maybe a Flobert and a couple of Rugers.

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Reply #5 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 7:28am
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Al - Nice rifle. Looks like it will clean up to look good. Definitely worthy of any refinishing help you give it. One of my Hepburn actions was in similar condition and is now a 'looker' as well as a shooter. Not sure that crescent butt-plate will be very 'shoulder-friendly' for many shots with a full 40-82 load.  Sad

Got a picture of a 40-82WCF round next to a 40-65 or 32-40 you can post? Would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison picture.
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 12:14pm
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Reverend, I know what you feel about the rifles that are out of reach. I've been able to get a few that were better than decent looking, but have been more concerned with the mechanical aspects- safe shooting condition with a good barrel. 
Or, like some of 'em, refinished by old time guys and below collector's grade. 
The ability to shoot 'em without worry about a scratch is gratifying. But, I'd like to have a sweet original Hepburn myself.
Or a Ballard, etc., etc...........
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:49am
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I have a few "old time" cartridges that I can put side by side for comparison ... now if I can just remember to dig them out ... and find my digital camera ...

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Al - Nice rifle. Looks like it will clean up to look good. Definitely worthy of any refinishing help you give it. One of my Hepburn actions was in similar condition and is now a 'looker' as well as a shooter. Not sure that crescent butt-plate will be very 'shoulder-friendly' for many shots with a full 40-82 load.  Sad

Got a picture of a 40-82WCF round next to a 40-65 or 32-40 you can post? Would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison picture.

  

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... now if I can just remember to dig them out ... and find my digital camera ...
Still waiting for the pictures of the two 9.5x47R rifles!  Wink
  
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Oy ... so many things to do ... and so few neurons still firing in my old brain so that I can remember them all ...

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... now if I can just remember to dig them out ... and find my digital camera ...
Still waiting for the pictures of the two 9.5x47R rifles!  Wink

  

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Reply #10 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 1:56am
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Al,
Nice looking hi-wall, I considered one in that caliber, changed horses in the middle of the stream and built a Hepburn instead, it's not finished yet, maybe when the snow flies...
I'm glad to hear someone else referring to this as an addiction, I have it, started with bolt guns, but anyone can build a bolt gun... single shots take a true craftsman to make... (I say this to irk a fellow smith)  I'm beginning to think I may need to look for a gun's anonymous org. - ever have that fleeting thought? Wink  just for grins, my recent hi-wall project went down in size to a 38-72...  using one of Ron's gain twist barrels.
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 10:25pm
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An addiction for sure, but don't worry.
You're with friends here
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Phew ... thank goodness I'm not alone!

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An addiction for sure, but don't worry.
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Reply #13 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 12:08pm
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I like oddball calibres and enjoy having something a bit different than the rest of the "herd" so the .40-82 WCF appealed to me.  That and the fact that I already had a set of .40-82 WCF RCBS dies and a suitable mould ...  (I had an 1886 in .40-82 WCF a few years ago, but kept all the accessories when I sold the rifle.  Regret selling that one too ...)

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Al,
Nice looking hi-wall, I considered one in that caliber, changed horses in the middle of the stream and built a Hepburn instead, it's not finished yet, maybe when the snow flies...
I'm glad to hear someone else referring to this as an addiction, I have it, started with bolt guns, but anyone can build a bolt gun... single shots take a true craftsman to make... (I say this to irk a fellow smith)  I'm beginning to think I may need to look for a gun's anonymous org. - ever have that fleeting thought? Wink  just for grins, my recent hi-wall project went down in size to a 38-72...  using one of Ron's gain twist barrels.   

  

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Reply #14 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 5:24pm
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Dam , all I got is a winchester bullet mold in .40-82. Never did get a rifle.  Dam
  
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Yes, I have an original Winchester mould for my .40-82 as well, plus the current Lyman version ...

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Dam , all I got is a winchester bullet mold in .40-82. Never did get a rifle.  Dam

  

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(Had to remove the dead links to old Photobucket pictures)
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Neat. I have collected ammo- boxes and loose rounds- for a long while, but have never seen a .40-82 with the cannelure or a jacketed slug. Something new. Thanks, Reverend.
My '86 has gotten by with a handful of Bertram cases for shooting because I save my oldies for the shelf. Well, mostly in boxes, bags and wherever they end up. 
My 1895 in .38-72 shot paper patched until I got a borrowed mold to use. Did OK, for a trial.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 3rd, 2016 at 8:09pm
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I have about 40 rounds of Bertram .45-90 that I have run through my RCBS .40-82 dies to form cases.  I have an original Winchester .40-82 mould plus the current Lyman version.  When I get my adjustable .40 paper patch mould from Red River Rick out in Winnipeg to use in my .40-90 Ballard, I can adjust it down to 240 grains and try making some PP "express" bullets to try out in the .40-82 as well ...

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Neat. I have collected ammo- boxes and loose rounds- for a long while, but have never seen a .40-82 with the cannelure or a jacketed slug. Something new. Thanks, Reverend.
My '86 has gotten by with a handful of Bertram cases for shooting because I save my oldies for the shelf. Well, mostly in boxes, bags and wherever they end up. 
My 1895 in .38-72 shot paper patched until I got a borrowed mold to use. Did OK, for a trial.

  

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Something bugged me about my earlier post commenting on the .40-82 with the jacketed bullet. What I meant to say was with a coppery jacketed bullet. I have seen them in the old nickel jackets. Oops.
  
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Reply #20 - Jul 4th, 2016 at 1:21am
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I have several old original Winchester cartridges ... some are cupro nickel, some are copper jackets, and some are with lead bullets so they obviously offered several different variations over the years!

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Thanks for the pic's.
IIRC, copper cases didn't work too well for the 7th Cavalry back in 1876. Wink
  

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That's another project I need to get to one of these days ... I bought an 1895 in .35 WCF and need to put together a few rounds to test in it ... couldn't turn it down since the price was right!

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My 1895 in .38-72 shot paper patched until I got a borrowed mold to use. Did OK, for a trial.

  

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calledflyer wrote on Jul 3rd, 2016 at 3:52pm:
Neat. I have collected ammo- boxes and loose rounds- for a long while, but have never seen a .40-82 with the cannelure or a jacketed slug.


These are all WRA Co. headstamp and there is a mix of copper jacketed, cupro nickel jacketed, and lead.  I'll have to look ... I also have an old, full, slip top cardboard box of WRA Co. .40-82 WCF ammo and I'm not sure if they are all the same or mixed types as well?

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Sounds like you have some neat stuff to fiddle with. Insofar as all the ammo variations there may be, the numbers would boggle my little mind. Had a pal that collected different .30-30 for a while and had many hundreds of that one alone. 
I have a number of sealed boxes that are over a hundred yrs of age. My oldest granddaughter dropped a sealed box of Winchester .38 long rimfire (with a near perfect label). Six piece box now, but it turned out she was doing research- there were only 49 rounds in the box! Whodda thunk?
  
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Reply #25 - Jul 23rd, 2016 at 2:50pm
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Finally going to shoot this old girl tomorrow.  I'm just heading down to my shop to load a few test rounds for her since I'm taking my next door neighbour up to our local gun club for a day of shooting tomorrow morning.  I'll be testing out the Ballard Pacific I recently bought so thought I'd finally get the High Wall out to shoot it a bit too.  Should be a fun day as my young neighbour is only in his late 20's and is quite keen to shoot and hunt, but is fairly new to the game and only owns 3 guns so far, a .30-30 Marlin, a 10/22 Ruger and a basic pump shotgun.  I'll try to open his eyes a bit with a variety of guns to test fire.  I'm taking up the .40-90 Ballard, the .40-82 High Wall, a Danish RB in 8x58R, a large action Martini in .338 / .303 British (a rebore by Ron Smith in Alberta), a pattern 1914 Enfield in .303 British, a Springfield Armory Garand in '06, and an M14 in .308 Win.  That should be enough to keep him busy for a little while!
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Reply #26 - Jul 23rd, 2016 at 7:34pm
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A very well thought out assortment of actions and calibers.
He's sure to have some fun and learn quite a bit.
  

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Reply #27 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 3:58pm
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A friend of mine had an original HIWALL in 40-82. The barrel was in perfect condition. Someone reading these pages may be the current owner of that rifle. I bought these loading dies along with the rest of his loading tools from his daughter when he passed away. The two cartridges on the left are 40-82, lead and nickel. The two cartridges on the right are both Kynoch, one a 450 Nitro and the other 500 BP EXRESS. I fired the double in the 500. The recoil was awesome.
  
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Reply #28 - Jul 24th, 2016 at 11:38pm
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Finally shot this one of mine today and it looks like it will shoot well.  It's shooting about the same groups as my old 1886 used to shoot.  About 2 1/2" to 3" with 35 grains of IMR3031, a quarter sheet of toilet tissue, and then filled to the base of the bullet with bulk yellow cornmeal.  (Without the filler you get terrible hang fires and huge velocity spreads ... with the filler good groups and consistent velocities.  The load came from an old article written by Mike Venturino and it WORKS.)  Didn't really have time to concentrate on serious groups since I was hosting and coaching my young next door neighbour and brought several rifles for him to test fire.  I'll go up on my own one day and shoot this rifle a bit more seriously and see what it can do ...
  

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