I give a couple clicks this way or that quite often shooting offhand.   Once in a while I'll look to see how far off "offhand zero" I am.

Newcomer visiting an old post.  I was just shooting my Targetspot Junior 10x this morning.  It has click adjustments, which are highly appreciated for old eyes.  I'm also a vintage camera photographer.  When Leica moved from their "no click" aperture lenses like the Elmar, to click stops in the 1950s, it was a huge improvement.  Most adjustable things have a tactile feedback, or at least audible, including IPod menu wheels.   

Does the NRA outlaw click adjustable mounts just to make it difficult for people to use 95% of the external scopes out there?  Sheeze, even an old Mossberg external mount scope from the 1930s has clicks.  Or do they think that having a click is somehow going to make you too competitive?  I just can't fathom any good reason other than "ole timey."  They should require we where bowler hats too, in BPCR and the .22 version. 

I appreciate trying to stop competitions from becoming an arms race.  But BPCR since it's inception has done a great job at limiting actions, weights, and such.  I'm sure not going to alter my vintage scope, just to shoehorn my gear into their vision of what is right.

AZshot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2016 at 3:51pm:


You must be a good carpenter--you hit that nail on the head!

Considering that the click mechanism can be disabled, allowing use of those "modern" scopes anyway, seems rather like much ado about very little.

AZshot wrote on Dec 31^st, 2016 at 3:51pm:

I have always wondered what makes the rule makers tick? BPCR is all about "original" but we now use heavy rifles, set triggers, prone cross sticks, fast twists and longer bullets.  What happened to the original cartridges, 10# rifles, 3# triggers and no artificial support rules of the original LR BPCR matches? 

AZshot wrote on Jan 1^st, 2017 at 7:37am:


But if a Targetspot or any similar scope is allowed, that most certainly IS a "modern" scope, even rendered clickless, relative to the 1870-90 era.  Clearly, the "no-click" rule is a fig-leaf contrived to disguise the obvious fact that modern scopes are being allowed, but, he-he, let's everyone pretend we don't notice.  

If scopes are going to be permitted in what's supposed to be a vintage-eqpt. competition (which, being blind as Mr. Magoo, I support wholeheartedly), than they ought to be reasonably faithful repros of scopes commonly in use in that time period, which means full barrel-length scopes, and also UN-coated lenses.  Yes, such scopes would be damned hard to come by today, except for what remains around of those ugly and crude brass tube Navy Arms scopes, or the good, but even scarcer, scopes put together by Lyman for Ruger's Centennial model.  However, if there was a even a small market for such scopes, some maker like MVA would, I'll bet, step up to the plate.  Can you believe that repros of the miserable Weaver 330 are now being mfg. in China for use on all the fake '03A4 sniper rifles that now have a match of their own at Camp Perry?

Vall,
Am I wrong in that, I also believe trigger pull weight was also limited at like 3 pounds low end.

LRF wrote on Jan 1^st, 2017 at 1:19pm:


I'm uncertain of trigger weight rules back in the 1800's Lynn? Not sure if the present trigger weight rules are the same as original rules?
But I did find this on the NRA's web site:
"The match would be comprised of 15 shots at 800, 900, and 1,000 yards from any unsupported position. The rifles could weigh no more than 10 pounds, and both telescopic sights and “hair” (less than a 3-pound pull) triggers were prohibited. American team members were to be native-born and their rifles of American manufacture."