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30-30 wesson and a 32 cal variant?? Experience?
Jun 9th, 2016 at 12:05am
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frnkeore- This one is probably for you
and Cat Whisperer too

Mr. John Taylor (as always) has directed me in a fine direction for repurpose of a nice palma barrel on a martini action- (30-30 wesson.)
I LIKE anything and everything in 357 MAX brass.

That opened a door to the FIRST question: 
Is the 30-30 Wesson strictly BP, Smokeless or BP (considering ONLY cast bullets), accuracy (typical)?? I did a search of ALL posts prior to posting this and came up with a couple frnkeore started with some info.



That THEN LEADS ME TO THIS NEXT QUESTION:
A 32 cal version of the 30-30 wesson??

In fixed ammo, what is there to choose from in the 32 cal (true .323 groove like a CADET barrel)?? Is there a 357 MAX based 32 cal similar to the 30-30 Wesson?

About 18 months ago I designed a throater/neck reamer for a CADET in 32-20 so that I could morph it into shooting thru .323. I had planned on using the RCBS Cadet mold, bore the base band out to make both a .325 base band and another small lube groove, to create 120gr RN inside lubed .323-20.  I HAVE YET TO TEAR THE RIFLE DOWN.

If I could clean up the chamber with a 32 cal MAX based variant like the Wesson, Id certainly do that over playing with the 32-20!

Sows ear into silk purse....... Not always the best method.

Appreciate any responses.
  
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Re: 30-30 wesson and a 32 cal variant?? Experience?
Reply #1 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 2:03am
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If you read my thread on my 30/30 Wesson, you have about all the info that I have, but if you have any specific questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

As far as a 32/30 goes, the 32 RKS is almost that. It's made with a 223 reamer, run in 1.470, you could finish that off with your reamer to 1.615.

40 _rod uses about that same chambering and calls it a 32/30 Remington Imp.

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Re: 30-30 wesson and a 32 cal variant?? Experience?
Reply #2 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 8:21am
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There is also the 32 Miller, Not to be confused with the Miller Short. The 32 Miller is simply a .357 Max case tapered to .32.

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Reply #3 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 8:56am
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The RKS is nice since you only need a 223 die to form the brass.
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 12:16pm
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I have tried to find info on the 32rks but aside from a couple of blurbs here I have been unsuccessful.

As for the 32 Miller, I'll call ptg and get a print but I understood the Miller to be breach seat, not fixed.

Can someone clarify?

In order of desire, I like the Miller more than 223 based.
I like rims!
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 12:33pm
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The RKS has a rim, you just use a 223 reamer and cut the rim after chambering the barrel. The body of the 223 reamer, just cuts the taper of the chamber. 

My 33 ELCO Max, uses a 223 reamer for it's taper, also. I then come back in with my designed, neck and throater to bring it to a 1.615 length and then cut the rim.

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Reply #6 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 2:35pm
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Last year I had PTG make me a reamer for 32RKS I have been very happy with it . Shoots very well . The reamer cuts rim and throat.

This spring I wanted to play with a Cadet Action and Midway had 300 Blackout reamer on sale . I had to cut the rim in the lathe  I can use 357max or 360 Dan Wesson brass I shoot it off hand with fixed ammo but it would work breach seated also.
Just another 357max case idea.
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Reply #7 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 2:48pm
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What dies are used to form brass on 32rks?
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 4:49pm
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I found a print on the reamer from PTG so I now have some dimensions to visualize!

That will help my anemic mind.

Still like to know what does are used though, if it's a combination of several.
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 9:44pm
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For forming 32 RKS I use a 223 die to start running the case in to the neck area in the die . Then I use a home made die (7/8-14 bolt that I drilled and used my 32RKS reamer run in part way) to form the rest of the case .
357Max cases are getting hard to find , you can use 360 Dan Wesson cases , they are a little short but they work fine.
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Reply #10 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 11:17pm
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Attached is a photo of a cartridge my neighbor has come up with.  It's based on the 6.8 Remington for bolt actions.  The only incorrect dimension is the length to the shoulder.  Manson Reamers had to change that a bit to get things to work.  The best thing about it is that it can also be formed from 30-30 brass for a rimmed version for my CPA which I will set up later this year.  My question is, does this cartridge resemble any other cartridge that has been used with success in single shots?

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Reply #11 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 11:25pm
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If you can form the rimmed version from 30-30 brass, then how much different is it from the 30 Harrett?
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Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 10:05am
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The .30 Herrett has a much shorter neck.   Nonetheless I've been thinking about it since I have a short ton of formed brass from an estate auction.
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 9:18pm
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The reason for the .500 neck is that it will cover all the grease grooves in the bullet he intends to use, the Lyman 311291 or a 200 grainer from Accurate.  He is a CBA type shooter.  It will be interesting to see how it works out in an accurate bolt action.  If it looks good I'll try the rimmed version in my single shot.  I don't remember the case capacity but he claims it should be right for the powder, pressure, and velocity.

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Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2016 at 11:31pm
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One can also simply chamber for a long neck version with the 30 Herrett body.   
A. chamber for 30 Herrett
B. Use neck/throat cutter to lengthen the neck as desired.
C. form the 30 Herretts from 30-30 and trim back the neck accordingly
One can also do the same thing with the 300 blackout-
Form 357 Maxi brass in 300 BO. Leave necks as long as desired and then chamber with 300BO and then neck/throat cutter
One can use Std 30 Herrett dies and reamers, or Std 300bo
dies/reamers, along with a neck/throat cutter

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