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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7659 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 319-323 French reports Jun 7^th, 2016 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	To hot here. It's been between 98 and 100 all week. I've got my Douglas barreled HW ready to go, when it cools a little. Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #1 - Jun 7^th, 2016 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	Best time to try it and again when its extremely cold to see if the overall consistency changes and if it is indeed an ideal bullet design. I would also take it out on a real bad and not a good one to see how it handles adverse conditions, they all generaly shoot good when there are non but not so when they are not ideal. JLouis

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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 435 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #2 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	The weather broke up our way and I cast a little over 100 each of the .321 and .323 today. My first time with brass molds - second bullet dropped was perfect. Using a home-brew 16-1 mixture mine dropped at .322 and .324, nominal weights of 192 gr and 194 gr respectively. Been too busy preparing for the CBA Nationals this Saturday, hope to do some shooting next week. My first time with brass; I really like it as a mold material.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #3 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 1:47pm	Print Post
	Mike are shooting the CBA National Military event in Wash. and are you planning on attending the CBA National event in September as well shooting in the plainbase class. JLouis

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4060may Full Member Offline Posts: 196 Location: Richfield Joined: Jul 12^th, 2006	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #4 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Adverse conditions, 6-8-16, only 100yds, no flags 32 Thompson, No.3 Ruger, DST, built by Larry Thompson and Tim Mather, Douglas 1-16, WW296 12.2 grs, Leupold 24X, 1-30 alloy, Darr + Carnuba Red 30%, pan lubed not sized, base band .323, 56deg, wind shifting right to left, to right about 15-20mph, had to shoot anyhow, bottom target is the first one shot, two almost touching in 23 were sighters, the two out of the 25 are wind, top target, tried to read the wind better, only 8 shots, run outt of primers


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4060may Full Member Offline Posts: 196 Location: Richfield Joined: Jul 12^th, 2006	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #5 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	a note on conditions one of the shooter down range had one of the arched wind indicators, at 50 yds the needle was pegging right to left as we watched it


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #6 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 2:53pm	Print Post
	It appears they were shot on a 200yd. target is that correct? and thank you for sharing. JLouis

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4060may Full Member Offline Posts: 196 Location: Richfield Joined: Jul 12^th, 2006	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #7 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	correct my friend screens 4 targets on a the back of engineering prints I get from a friend after the job is done I usually shoot 200yds...just trying to wring the new bullet out..this particular rifle normally likes WC680, not being a 32-40...with the now bullet I tried WW296, yes I have used 300MP, my 32-40 shoots well with it..Barnett bullet


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #8 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 3:15pm	Print Post
	Sounds like a Beggs Wind Probe and extremely harsh conditions to shoot in to say the least. The wind probe is a very nice wind indicator if one fully understands how to read the input being given. I could never exactly determine the wind direction but only the strength while trying to use one and I actualy used four set at various yardages out to 200yds. When balanced correctly they do give a very accurate reading on bullet movement for hold off but they wouldn't pickup the very slightest amount of wind movement of which is extremely critical information for my 200yd. competitive use. JLouis

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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 435 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #9 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	[quote author=3527313627302C2730420 link=1465343726/4#4 date=1465493316]Good looking bullets, pentz. Did you smoke your mold? Yes, after running the molds through 3 heat cycles on the glass-top range per Swede's recommendation. I cast as fast as the sprue solidified and they never over-heated. Mike are shooting the CBA National Military event in Wash. and are you planning on attending the CBA National event in September as well shooting in the plainbase class. I'll be shooting my 5-groove Enfield at Puyallup Saturday; should be in for a good tail-kicking by the big boys Won't make the nationals - my wife can't travel and it's too far. I expect Schauf will clean up - he fired a .166 5-round group at Kenmore with his 32-20 CPA.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #10 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	Wish you the best with the Enfield Mike and if you can't sneak by them you can surely make it that much harder for them to sneak by you and the rest of group. I always got a kick out of the comments prior to the match with some Wow's look at the those wind conditions and I haven't seen mirage that bad in years. It doesn't take much to crawl into ones head and to get them second guessing what they already know. I use to get this pulled on me all of the time but I knew better than to bite on it but some of the others hearing those same comments would and end up losing thier edge. JLouis

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1021 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #11 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 1:38pm	Print Post
	Where can I read some history on this French bullet, was it the very first spritzer designed cast bullet. Ledball


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7659 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #12 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	There were lots of spitzer type molds in Ideal's early catalogs but, they weren't refered to as "spitzers". Germany first patented the spitzer design, about 1905. The US copied the design w/o permission for the 30/06 and we had to pay Germany, a fairly large sum, for doing so. The Ideal bullets were called sharp point bullets (S.P. or S.S.P.) and were for the taking of small game w/o to much damage to the pelts. The French, 39323 was, I believe, the first Schuetzen style target bullet, that used a sharp point or what I'd call a short spitzer. French was a active, schuetzen shooter in the "Golden Age" and his scores can be found in some match results, from that time period. This is all the history that I have. Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #13 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	The spitzer bullet design was first introduced in 1898 as the Balle D by the French Army. The Balle D bullet was designed by Captain Georges Raymond Desaleux, in order to improve the ballistic performance of the existing French 8×50mmR Lebel service cartridge of 1886.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 319-323 French reports Reply #14 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	Among the first pointed or "conical" bullets were those designed by Captain John Norton of the British Army in 1823.

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