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German ring target
Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:54pm
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Looking for historical references, please.
Does anyone know the origin of the German (American) ring target with the 25 center? When was that version of the target adopted by the German-American schuetzen clubs and why 25 was chosen for the center?
In researching the target's origin, Biggi Hoelscher (in Germany) graciously assisted by providing me with info relating to old German targets of the same general layout and appearance, such as horizontal-vertical scoring ring numbers. The main difference is, those German targets score 1 on the outer ring and either 10, 12, 20 or 24 for the center ring. (Thank you for your help Biggi)
This research is for the new schuezten book I'm writing.
Thank you in advance for any assistance and feel free to contact me if what I am requesting is not clear.
Below is show our German ring target with scoring rings from 1 to 25.
  

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Re: German ring target
Reply #1 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 7:36pm
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G,day RSW,
                 I have a similar ? Here in South Australia the German Ring Target was made of cast iron no1 the outer ring and 13 the centre, shot at 200yds,I would like to know the origins of this target. 

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Reply #2 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:12am
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Mal in au.
Sorry, I don't have any information on that target but I'll bet it would make an interesting research project to find its origins. Do you by chance have an image of that iron target you could post? I wonder how such a target was scored? If the scorer was close enough to see where the bullets hit, he might catch some of the back-splatter Wink
Targets using numbered scoring rings were popular in Europe during the 1870s, perhaps 1860s or earlier (I'm researching that).
  

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Reply #3 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 12:00pm
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In use 50 years before 1913 ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 1:01pm
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John Boy
Thanks for posting that link. I'm sure readers will find it enlightening.
That is the very article that got me started trying to nail down the origin of our 25 ring target. Westergaard states in that article, our German ring target was purely an American design. My research has revealed there were German targets in common use during that same era that don't have a dime's worth of difference between them and our ring target, other than the center scores 24 instead of 25. The target below was one of numerous targets available to shooting clubs in Germany back in the day that have the same basic layout, i.e., black bull with scoring ring numbers running both vertically and horizontally.
I'm trying to sort out when, and how our 25 ring target got started.
  

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Reply #5 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 1:51am
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Randy, Were the scoring rings slightly different for imperial and metric?
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 2:42am
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German targets were metric in the catalog pages I've seen. Scoring ring spacing varied. One German target had rings spaced at 1.5 cm (.6 inch approx) another target had 2.5 cm spacing (.98 inch approx). There were numerous target styles and sizes. 
Our (U.S.) German ring target is, of course, defined in inches and the rings are spaced at 3/4 inch (1.9 cm approx) intervals.
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 9:37am
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Keep in mind that metric is a fairly new concept. If we are talking traditional we need to see what was shot in the mid to late 1800s

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Reply #8 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 10:46am
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Good point about the metric system. It started being adopted in Europe in the late 1790s. "Germany" had adopted it by 1872. The catalog from which I stated scoring ring spacing, was dated 1879. That spread of years I think covers what most of us consider to be the original schuetzen era.
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 8:55pm
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I, think, the metric system was just one of a number of reforms that Napoleon instituted for France and the nations under his control.  Of course The Germanic states (not being a nation yet) were part of the anti-Napoleon coalition with England and etc so they adopted it later when the merit of european standards and railroad gauges became apparent.
  

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Reply #10 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:45pm
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G,day RSW,
                I will do some research this end,can't seem to post plctures with this iPad ,I can send them via email.I think the scorer had a bunker or foxhole,as each shot was fired he would jump out and indicate the shot with a pointer ,then paint it out with white paint, black for the aiming Mark, rings 11to13.The 13 ring 2" in dia. Moved to the rear when strucktc ,tripped a flag to indicate a13 bull, Shooters took turns to shoot one round at a time ,In 1864 front stuffers were the go,we still shoot a version of the Match @200yds. Will have more info when it comes to hand.

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Reply #11 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 9:27am
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Are any of these targets available today and if so a source?
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 11:47am
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Do any of the long-established Schuetzen clubs have past records or old club histories?  I was thinking of the New Braunfels (sp?) club in Texas or Davenport or Eau Claire.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:50pm
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(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) Maybe a little help, if you have access to the early rifle magazine
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 24th, 2025 at 6:53am
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Good info on old Schuetzen targets
  

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