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Jun 4th, 2016 at 7:25pm
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After spending a week on the road for work I stopped by my FFL yesterday and picked up my new Ballard. I cannot wait to get out and shoot tomorrow. Today I managed to go outside and do a little dry firing on this beautiful 115 degree day!
Well, now I know how Ralphy felt in A Christmas Story Smiley 
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Reply #1 - Jun 4th, 2016 at 8:07pm
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That is one handsome Ballard, Watchwind!  WHO did the woodwork and what caliber is it?
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Reply #2 - Jun 4th, 2016 at 8:21pm
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Hello Bruce,
Thank you. It was a consignment gun from Wyoming Armory. I know the checkering was done by Neal Rice. This rifle is chambered in 22 LR.
I dry fired until I couldn't anymore......and then did you few more times Smiley
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Reply #3 - Jun 4th, 2016 at 10:25pm
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Is it a Cody Ballard? Looks to be done very nicely, and I bet it's a great shooter! I never really looked at the Cody Ballards much until I bought a Schoyen style Cody Ballard in .22LR not long ago.
  

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marlinguy wrote on Jun 4th, 2016 at 10:25pm:
Is it a Cody Ballard? Looks to be done very nicely, and I bet it's a great shooter! I never really looked at the Cody Ballards much until I bought a Schoyen style Cody Ballard in .22LR not long ago.


It's a Cody  Cool
How is yours shooting? Does it show a preference toward a particular ammo?
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Reply #5 - Jun 4th, 2016 at 10:37pm
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I don't buy the expensive ammo, as I'm afraid it might shoot so well I'd never go back! I have about 4000 rds. left in a case of PMC target I bought in the 90's, and never used when Is topped shooting adult smallbore. 
I've tried the PMC, plus CCI standard velocity, and some Russian Jr. I used to shoot bullseye with. My Schoyen has a Badger barrel and a match chamber. It seems to shoot everything very well, but the PMC is slightly better. I'm getting groups under 1.5" at 100 yds. with my 12x Fecker scope on it. (when the wind cooperates!) With the MVA tang sight, and Baldwin globe they open up quite a bit. My eyes aren't what I'd like them to be.
Haven't fired it much offhand, as it's got a very heavy 30" full round barrel, and I can't hold it long offhand.
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Reply #6 - Jun 4th, 2016 at 11:27pm
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That is a beautiful Ballard and accurate too! Many moons ago I shot up my dad's Junior and PMC Match. He was glad to see me working on my benchrest discipline, but not shooting up his out of production ammo  Wink
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 8:44am
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I hesitated to purchase my Cody Ballard, as I wasn't interested in another .22 schuetzen rifle, and have no new schuetzen replicas. But I had this one in my safe for over a month, while I was selling off my friend's estate and couldn't keep my hands off it. Eventually it was the last one left to sell, and I just wasn't able to part with it. Partially because it was my good friend's favorite, but mostly because they are such a finely made rifle.
I almost hesitate to say they're better than my favorite Marlin Ballard, but they really are. The craftsmanship of the men involved in the Ballard rifles built in Cody is as good as it gets. So many talented people all involved in producing a copy that is better than the original it emulates.
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 9:11am
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Our modern master gunsmiths have more precision equipment to work with and I dare-say better and more consistent materials to work with than the "originals" did.    I'm not a student of Ballards as a type, but my guess is that the Cody-Ballards, and even the few Michigan-Ballards made were almost totally built to custom order (and in the case of the Michigan ones made almost completely by one master gunsmith---Steve Durren) 

I think the miracle is that working in a factory production system M/B was able to turn out the beauty and quality they did considering the material's and systems that were available then.      Or was there a factory mass-production shop AND a strictly special-order custom shop back then at M/B Winchester etc.?   Maybe the labor costs and the apprentice-systems of the past era made a large amount of hand labor in finishing and fitting more possible than it would be now. Huh
  

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I don't think any Marlin Ballard, or other Marlin repeating rifle was ever done in a "custom shop". I'd bet the same craftsmen who built standard models, also assembled the special order guns. When John Marlin agreed to take on and build the Ballard rifles, he received all of Brown Manufacturing's equipment, and parts. He also hired on a great number of employees that worked at Brown to continue assembling Ballards under his oversight. 
There were things like engraving that were sent outside the factory to "factory engravers" to embellish. These engravers were not necessarily Marlin hourly employees, but piece meal contract employees who got paid per job. 
Considering the lack of metallurgy technology in the late 1800's, I'm pleasantly surprised by the quality that all the major manufacturers put out! The amount of hand work, and seat of the pants engineering was amazing. Especially considering the equipment, and lighting levels most factories had in that era. I wish I could find the CD I have hidden from myself here somewhere! It is an old silent movie made in the Marlin factory just after WWI, and shows the entire process of building Marlin rifles at different stages. One thing that really jumps out is the amount of hand work, and the very poor lighting the workers did their jobs under!
  

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Reply #10 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:20pm
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I took it out and shot her today. Man was it hot....and so was she!
I'm very impressed with the accuracy of the rifle. I can see myself doing business with Wyoming Armory again. Steve and Keith were very helpful and a pleasure to do business with.
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Reply #11 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 2:05am
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watchthewind wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:20pm:
I took it out and shot her today. Man was it hot....and so was she!
I'm very impressed with the accuracy of the rifle. I can see myself doing business with Wyoming Armory again. Steve and Keith were very helpful and a pleasure to do business with.
Scott

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Reply #12 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 9:20am
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I've got it bad really bad Smiley There is no sleeping when we get together. It's either fondling, firing or dry firing  Wink
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 9:22am
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 2:05am:
watchthewind wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 6:20pm:
I took it out and shot her today. Man was it hot....and so was she!
I'm very impressed with the accuracy of the rifle. I can see myself doing business with Wyoming Armory again. Steve and Keith were very helpful and a pleasure to do business with.
Scott

Are you sleeping with her?   Roll Eyes  A friend's wife told me he was sleeping with his new Sharps several years back  Grin


My wife has gotten used to it after nearly 4 decades! Never slept with a new old gun, but rarely let them sit long in the first month of finding one! Been known to watch TV with one in my lap, but my wife makes me watch in another room as she dislikes being bumped by a barrel.
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 1:27pm
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Who but we can understand the feeling's we have for these old Rifle's ???  My Wife say's that when I pass, she will have my remains loaded into a few of my old favorites and send me off in style !!!  Can't hardly wait !!!    Grin
  
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Redwing wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

Who but we can understand the feeling's we have for these old Rifle's ???  My Wife say's that when I pass, she will have my remains loaded into a few of my old favorites and send me off in style !!!  Can't hardly wait !!!    Grin


That's so true! Even many of my gun friends don't understand my addiction to old single shot rifles. They may love old guns, but can't understand why anyone would want a gun that only holds one cartridge, and looks funny.
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 6:43pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 3:50pm:
Redwing wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

Who but we can understand the feeling's we have for these old Rifle's ???  My Wife say's that when I pass, she will have my remains loaded into a few of my old favorites and send me off in style !!!  Can't hardly wait !!!    Grin


That's so true! Even many of my gun friends don't understand my addiction to old single shot rifles. They may love old guns, but can't understand why anyone would want a gun that only holds one cartridge, and looks funny.


And I can't understand how someone can look at a fine old Ballard or a Cody Ballard and not think it is a beautiful rifle!
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 8:36pm
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Truer words have never been spoken Smiley
  

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Reply #18 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 8:56pm
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I always have a Ballard or Double Rifle in my lap or resting on the sofa next to me when watching tv.  Better than what's on the tube. Will get up at commercials and dry fire.  I know, I have this illness....but no excuses and no regrets!  Wink
  

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