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Load Adjustment for lighter bullet
May 27th, 2016 at 5:21pm
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I have a good load (12.8gr) for my 205 gr. bullet. Testing a lighter bullet (190 gr) ............ How should I change my powder charge? (Using same powder & bullets are same design, just a bit shorter)  Thanks.
  

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Reply #1 - May 27th, 2016 at 6:27pm
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Ray try the same load and adjust down in 1 tenth increments until your verticle displacement is at its very minimum only if it is required.
My rifle likes the same load for both those bullets mentioned.

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Reply #2 - May 27th, 2016 at 6:28pm
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I'd start the same and work both up and down to see what happens. It could be that a little less powder will give you the same velocity and therefore accuracy. It could just as easily be that a little more powder will up the pressure to give the same burn characteristics as the heavier (more resistance, higher pressure) bullet and therefore accuracy. Don't know which until you try. It could even be that the same powder charge is still the one.
  
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Re: Load Adjustment for lighter bullet
Reply #3 - May 27th, 2016 at 7:35pm
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If it's a 32-40, you probably won't see much difference in POA/POI with that change of weight.  When I was shooting an original high wall, for instance, I used 13.6 grains of the late, lamented 4759 behind bullets from 165-200 grains weight with good results and very little change in impact at 100 yds.  I shot mostly Ram Bash with it like that.

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Reply #4 - May 27th, 2016 at 8:13pm
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Thanks guys. Sage advice that I'll follow.
Froggie ........... The new bullet is my new NOE .323-185. Cast weights are in the 190-192 range and I'm still shooting my .32-20CPA. Always looking for improvement. So far my best mould is the tried & true Mos .322-205 which casts 208gr +-. Best regards, Ray
  

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Reply #5 - May 31st, 2016 at 7:02am
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Range tested yesterday. The .322 based tapered bullet was tight to breech seat, when compared to my Mos with a .322 base. Tried charges from 12.5 - 12.9 in 0.10gr increments - none showed improvement over my Mos. Leading was severe. The 20;1 mix was identical to that with which I normally cast. Could the leading have been caused by the very tight bullet fit?I don't understand the leading, but feel I have a fine bullet from the Mos and will continue with that until I am inspired to try something new.
  

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Reply #6 - May 31st, 2016 at 9:52am
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How should I change my powder charge? (Using same powder & bullets are same design, just a bit shorter)


12.8gr : 205gr = x : 190gr
12.8 x 190 / 205
X = 11.9gr powder ... then work up in 1/10gr increments
  
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Reply #7 - May 31st, 2016 at 9:56am
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Ray where exactly is the lead build up taking place in the barrel? If its in the first third you could be shaving a little lead off the bullet. If it is more towards the muzzle it would typicaly be related to your lube.

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Reply #8 - May 31st, 2016 at 10:38am
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OkeyMaple, Try seating your bullet, then knoick it back out with a rod of some kind and look hard at the base of the bullet.  Are there "flanges" develop on the base, did some lead shave off the bullet, is the bullet tight in the chamber and sealing it.

IF the other bullet will shoot ok, then there is a problem with the new bullet.

This is all a WAG, but what the heck.
  
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Reply #9 - May 31st, 2016 at 11:33am
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After knocking the seated bullet out of the bore - if there are land cuts to or past the bullet base ... shorten the seater plug so the land cuts stop about a 1/16th inch before the end of the base.  This will provide a perfect base on the bullet to preclude gas stripping in the grooves
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Reply #10 - May 31st, 2016 at 12:03pm
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Ray if it is possibly a gas seal problem the way to check is to seat a bullet insert a primed case only and pop it. Count off about fifteen seconds and then drop the breech block and the trapped gas should eject it. Do not stand behind it I had a case put a dent in my garage door. That was not at all typical as I usually just catch them with rag but in that instance I simply did not and just dropped the block and watched it go shooting on by and my error.
If you open the breech block and the case isn't pushed out you have gas leaking past the bullet and you can get gas cutting and quite typically the end result is leading.

If the case does indeed pop out your problem lies else where.

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Reply #11 - May 31st, 2016 at 12:29pm
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John we quite typicaly seat the bullet until it engraves just beyond and all they way through the baseband to achieve the best in accurac. This is somewhat of the same approach as one does when loading through the muzzle where the bullet is also completly engraved. If one has a rifle that does not quite shoot I highly recommend one giving it a try and more times than not it will make a substantial improvement.
This could also be very helpful in eliminating Ray's issues as well as it also tends to help when one has leading issues if the bullet does indeed fit the rifle properly based on my personal experiences. Also if Ray does indeed try poping a primer and he does get gas leaking by it would also be a good time to try seating it per the above.

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Reply #12 - May 31st, 2016 at 8:27pm
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Back burner this thread for a bit. Thanks for all the input. It will take me some time to get this sorted out. Will report back.
  

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