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Re: Lone Star Rolling Block Serial Numbers
Reply #120 - May 18th, 2018 at 11:24pm
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John B are your screws Metric?

John - excellent thought.  That never crossed my mind.  I'll pull the rifle from the safe and let you know
  
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Reply #121 - May 19th, 2018 at 1:20pm
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JL - the jury is out and Dave's action is not a Pedersoli.
* All screws are SAE
* Pedersoli RB Creedmoor & Silhouette rifles have a 'stepped' action at the stub
* Dave's 12# 14oz RB has a round action at the stub with a rotary extractor which is the same as a #1 RB with a rotary extractor
But this rifle is the only one I've seen with a brass trigger guard and pin retainer plate
  
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Reply #122 - May 19th, 2018 at 1:33pm
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Good deal JohnBoy and it sounds like it is not only a very interesting and unique rifle but a very nice one indeed as well.

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Reply #123 - May 19th, 2018 at 1:51pm
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Just for grins, are you certain that those parts really are brass? Plated over steel could be checked with that magnet you have hanging around somewhere. Just a thought, 'cause I know nothing about the Pedersoli or Lone Star practices.
  
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Reply #124 - May 20th, 2018 at 11:43am
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Just for grins, are you certain that those parts really are brass?

CF - the plate and the trigger guard are .... Brass!
If you look at the serial numbers engraved in the tang - shows brass all the way through the numbers.  But to sure, the magnet would not stick on the metal
Now the Q is - where did Dave obtain the brass plate & guard and why are they on this rifle and none others?
  
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Reply #125 - May 20th, 2018 at 2:00pm
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Alway figured you knew what you were talking about, but thought I'd toss it in just in case. As to the big question, I'm as much in the dark as anybody. Abbrakadabra, shazzam...
  
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Reply #126 - May 20th, 2018 at 3:45pm
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JL - the jury is out and Dave's action is not a Pedersoli.
* All screws are SAE
* Pedersoli RB Creedmoor & Silhouette rifles have a 'stepped' action at the stub
* Dave's 12# 14oz RB has a round action at the stub with a rotary extractor which is the same as a #1 RB with a rotary extractor
But this rifle is the only one I've seen with a brass trigger guard and pin retainer plate


Sure looks like a Pedersoli to me, to include the brass button and trigger guard. DH could have drilled & tapped all screw holes to SAE, hence the SAE screws. 
  
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Re: Lone Star Rolling Block Serial Numbers
Reply #127 - May 20th, 2018 at 8:51pm
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Let me throw a curve into the works for you all. In the stuff I brought home from the Higgenbotham estate, Lone Star Rifle Company, is an unfinished receiver casting that Dave has worked up. The receiver is definitely the Pedersoli style and pattern as they are bigger than a Remington and the parts do not interchange. There are also a small number of steel PG trigger guard castings that only fit the Pedersoli size receiver.  Two unfinished breech blocks and one unfinished Hammer.   Not certain but looks like at some point he was working up rifles on the Pedersoli pattern.  BTW the VAST majority of the shop parts are Remington pattern.
  
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Reply #128 - May 23rd, 2018 at 9:53pm
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This is going to take a while. I will post all the serial number that Lone Star Rifle reported to BATF over the life of the company.
001  a 40-65 Sporting
002  45-90 Sporting 
007  40-70SS deluxe 
008  45-70 Creedmoor
009  45-120 Creedmoor 
010  45-70 Creedmoor
011  40-70SS Deluxe 
012  45-70 (no mdl listed)
014  50-70   "
015  45-70   "
016  40-65   "
018  40-65   "
019  40-65   "
020  45-70  Creedmoor
021  40-70BN  Deluxe
022  38-55 Deluxe
023  50-90 Creedmoor
024  40-65 Deluxe
025  40-70SS Deluxe
026  40-65 Deluxe
027  40-65  Silhouette
028  38-55  Deluxe
029  45-70  Sporting
030  45-70 Silhouette
130  45-70  Sporting  later changed to 45-120

Note: part of what makes this difficult is the SNs were often issued out of order. If they were not too far out I have placed them in numerical order as opposed to date of manufacture

081  40-65  Deluxe
031  40-65 Silhouette
032  40-70 Deluxe
034  45-70  Silhouette
035  45-70 Deluxe Sporting
036  45-70 Creedmoor
037  40-70SS Deluxe Sporting
039  40-65  Silhouette
040  45-70 Sporting
041  45-70 Silhouette
042  40-65 Silhouette
043  45-90 Creedmoor
044  40-65  Sporting
050  50-70  (no mdl listed)

To be continued.
  
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Reply #129 - May 24th, 2018 at 9:13am
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Gentlemen - IMO it would be best not to post on this thread for related comments in order to provide a clean list of Lone Star serial numbers.  Please start a separate thread.
And A Big Thanks Kenn for your efforts
  
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Re: Lone Star Rolling Block Serial Numbers
Reply #130 - May 24th, 2018 at 11:02pm
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Other than the 081 rifle manufactured earlier Dave shows numbers 051 to 099 as not issued.

# 100  50-90 Buffalo Rifle
# 101  50-70 Sporting
# 102  40-65  Silhouette
#104   45-70 Deluxe
#105   45-70 Sporting
#106   45-100 Creedmoor
#107   32-40 Sporting Rifle
#108   38-55 Sporting Rifle
#109   38-55  Sporting Rifle
#110   38-55 Deluxe Sporting
#111   (saved)
#112   45-70  Sporting
#113   45-70 Silhouette
#114   45-70 Sporting
#115   40-65  Sporting
#116   40-65 Silhouette
#117   50-70 Sporting
#118   45-90  Creedmoor
#119   45-70  Creedmoor
#120   45-120  Creedmoor
#121   40-65  Silhouette
#122   45-70  Silhouette
#123  45-2 7/8 Deluxe Sporting
#124   40-65  Silhouette
#125   45-70  Sporting
#126   45-70  Silhouette
#128   45-70  Silhouette
#129   40-65  Silhouette
(#130 issued earlier)
#130-B  40-65 Silhouette
#131   40-65  Silhouette
#132   45-70  Silhouette
#133   45-90 Buffalo Rifle

#134   45-120 
#135   45-120
#136   45-120
#137   38-55
#138   38-55
#139   38-55
#140   45-70
#141   45-70
#142   45-70
#143   45-70

No model listed for these SNs. Note that the lot was a single order exported from the U.S.

#144   50-90  Sporting 
#145   45/70  Silhouette
#146   45/70  Creedmoor
#147   50/70  Target
#148   45/70  Creedmoor
#149   45/70  Silhouette
#150   50/70  Target
#151   45/90  Silhouette
#152   50/90  Target
#153   45/70  Silhouette   
  
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Re: Lone Star Rolling Block Serial Numbers
Reply #131 - May 25th, 2018 at 12:31pm
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#154   45/70  Sporting
#155   45/70  Sporting
#156   45/70 Target
#157   45/100  Target
#158   50/70  (no model listed)
#159   45 . 2.4 Target Rifle  donated to the World Match
           in Africa
#160   45/70  Sporting Rifle
#161   45/70  Sporting
#162   45/70  Target
#163   45/70  Sporting Rifle
#164   50/90  Buffalo Rifle
#165   45/70  Target Rifle
#166   40/65  Target Rifle
#167   45/70  Target Rifle
#168   45/70  Silhouette Rifle
#169   50/90  Sporting Rifle Gove conversion
#500   30-40  #5
#171   40-2.4  Take Down
#172   45-70 Silhouette
#173   38-55  Cowboy
#174   44-70  Sporting
#175   50-70  Sporting
#176   50-70  Target
#177   45-70 Silhouette
#G1    50-70   Gove
#178   38-55  Sporting
#179   45-70  Silhouette
#180   44-77  Sporting
#181   40-65  Target
#182   45-70  Target
#G2     50-90 Silhouette
#183   38-55  Target
#184   32-40  Silhouette
#185   45-90 Silhouette
#186   50-90  Match Rifle
#GAC1876  50-70  Custer Commemorative
#187    45-90  Creedmoor Target Rifle
#1999  45-70 Silhouette  (last 20th century LSR rifle)
 
#G3     45-90  Gove
#188   45-90  Silhouette
#189    Receiver only
#G512  Receiver only
#G9    Receiver only
#G8    40/65  Silhouette
#GAC2  50/70 Custer Commemorative
#190   40/50SS  Deluxe Sporter
#191   45-70  Sporting
#192   45-70  Sporting
#193   45-90  Target
#194   45-70  Sporting
#195   45-70  Silhouette
#196   45-70  Silhouette
#197   45-70  Silhouette
#198   45-70  Silhouette

To be continued
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Re: Lone Star Rolling Block Serial Numbers
Reply #132 - May 26th, 2018 at 12:34pm
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#199   45-70  Silhouette
#200   50-70  Sporting
#201   45-70  Silhouette Standard
#G4    45-90  Gove
#G5    45-70  Gove
#G6    45-90  Gove
#G7    45-70  Gove
#202   45/70  Standard Cowboy Action
#203   40-65  Standard Cowboy Action
#204   38-55  Standard Cowboy Action
#205   50-70  Sporting
#206   50-70  Sporting
#G-13  44-90 Target
#207    50-90 Buffalo
#208   40-82 Silhouette
#209   25-35  Standard Cowboy Action
#210   38-55  Standard Cowboy Action
#211   30-40 Krag  #5
#212   40-65  Silhouette
#213   45-90  Standard Silhouette
#214   45-110  Silhouette
#215   45-70 Cowboy Action
#216   40-65 Silhouette
#217   45-70 Silhouette
#218   45-70  Silhouette
#219   45-70 Silhouette
#220   40-70  Silhouette
#221   50-70  Standard Cowboy Action
#222   45-100  Target
#223   45-90 Target
#224   50-90 Buffalo
#225   50-90  Buffalo
#247   45-70  Silhouette
#227   45 2.6  Buffalo
#1228  38-55  Cowboy Barreled Action
#229   Receiver only
#230   45-90  Target Rifle
#231   40-65  Silhouette
#232   38-55  Standard Silhouette
#233   38-55  Cowboy
#228   40-65  Silhouette
#234   38-55  Cowboy Action
#235   32-40  Cowboy Action
#236   45-70  Cowboy Action
#237   30-40 #5 Sporting 30/40 Krag
#238   30-40Krag  #5 Sporting
#239   30-40Krag  #5 Standard
#240   30/40Krag  #5 Sporting
#241   30-40 Krag  Sporting
#242   45-70  Silhouette Standard
#G11   45-70 Target
#243   40-70BN  Target 
#244   45-70  Silhouette Standard
#245   38-55  Standard Cowboy
#246   45-70  Standard Cowboy
#248   45-70  Silhouette
#G15   44-77  Target
#249   40-82 Target
#250   40-65  Cowboy
#251   32-40  Cowboy
#252   45-70 Sporting
#253   40-70, 45-90, two barrel set.  Sporting
#254   38-55  Cowboy
#255   40-65  Barreled Action
#256   50-70  Sporting
#G10   45-70  Target
#G14   45-70  Gove Target

A significant number of these rifles were manufactured out of numerical order by as much as 20 units.

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Re: Lone Star Rolling Block Serial Numbers
Reply #133 - May 26th, 2018 at 4:48pm
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JL - the jury is out and Dave's action is not a Pedersoli.
* All screws are SAE
* Pedersoli RB Creedmoor & Silhouette rifles have a 'stepped' action at the stub
* Dave's 12# 14oz RB has a round action at the stub with a rotary extractor which is the same as a #1 RB with a rotary extractor
But this rifle is the only one I've seen with a brass trigger guard and pin retainer plate


It's quite possible that Dave got unfinished actions from Pedersoli and D&T them to standard, not metric. It could also be that the brass triggerplate is Pedersoli mixed with a non Pedersoli action.
  
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Re: Lone Star Rolling Block Serial Numbers
Reply #134 - May 26th, 2018 at 5:33pm
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It's quite possible that Dave got unfinished actions from Pedersoli 

Judging by what's been accepted here, Dave helped design/develop the Pedersoli rolling blocks.  And as I know from my own experience, sometimes clients by their necessity or your choice pay for your services with goods rather than money.

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