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May 4th, 2016 at 11:47pm
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New Friends,

I just 3 days ago bought a Danish M-1867 that was re-bored to 11.7x56R from the previous 11.7x51R. - It has a GREAT bore but "beat-up looking" wood.
(I suspect that Bannerman's or some other "importer" may have run a .45-70 Government reamer through the original chamber BUT until I get the Cerrosafe that I've ordered, I cannot say for sure.)

I plan to go to Moldova & The Ukraine (and possibly to another Eastern European nation)  this Fall/Winter to hunt wild boar, wolves & Red Deer, so I'm looking for advice on a GOOD STOPPER for Big Game Hunting with the 1878- built Danish RB 3-band musket.
(NON-citizens are generally prohibited from using modern weapons for hunting game where I'm headed. - Reproductions are also banned. = PRE-1890 firearms whether muzzleloading or cartridge are OK, provided that they are > 10MM bore & loaded with Black Powder.)

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Reply #1 - May 6th, 2016 at 12:16am
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I use 65grs of 3F compressed, .030 over powder wad and a 405gr pure lead bullet. With a well placed shot, it will do what you want.
  
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Reply #2 - May 6th, 2016 at 1:15am
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I use about 2% tin in my pure lead bullets including round balls for ML.  They pour better.
  
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Reply #3 - May 6th, 2016 at 1:17am
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craigster,

What case are you using to form the 11.7x56R brass??
(I have too much Scots blood in my veins to happily pay 2.50-3.50 for each round & would prefer to roll my own.)

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Reply #4 - May 6th, 2016 at 1:21am
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Schuetzenmeister,

THANKS for the advice.

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Reply #5 - May 6th, 2016 at 4:22pm
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satx78247 wrote on May 6th, 2016 at 1:17am:
craigster,

What case are you using to form the 11.7x56R brass??
(I have too much Scots blood in my veins to happily pay 2.50-3.50 for each round & would prefer to roll my own.)

yours, satx


45-70 is what I use. No special technique, just load and shoot and you've got a fire formed case. There will probably be a very slight bulge from the base forward maybe 5/8" or so. Has not been an issue.
  
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Reply #6 - May 6th, 2016 at 5:42pm
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craigster,

SOME of the "re-formatted" 11.7x56 chambers are so large that numerous people have said that their .45-70 cases rupture after just one firing.
(Sounds like you have a fairly tight chamber.)

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Reply #7 - May 6th, 2016 at 5:58pm
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Could very well be, a chamber cast would tell the tale. Donnelly's conversion book details making them from 43 Spanish. But I would guess that they aren't giving 43 brass away these days.
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Reply #8 - May 6th, 2016 at 7:17pm
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craigster,

Fwiw, I saw .43 Spanish empty cases offered for sale by a vender form Houston at the last big San Antonio Gun Show for  65.oo per 100. = I noticed it because I was looking for another "obsolete caliber" cases & "sorted through" his goodly pile of plastic bags.
(Of course, I didn't have a rifle that I needed those cases for then. - WORSE LUCK.)

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Reply #9 - May 6th, 2016 at 11:05pm
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For wild boar or any other large animals - use a lead bullet. 20/1 lead to tin is good. STuff the case full with good black powder - the Swiss stuff is OK, avoid Pyrodex.

The hogs won't have a chance!

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Reply #10 - May 6th, 2016 at 11:14pm
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BACO has the Danish brass for $2.06 a pop. Really not all that bad.
  
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Reply #11 - May 6th, 2016 at 11:42pm
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jon_norstog,

I suspect that you are 100% correct, inasmuch as the "market hunters" of the Scandinavian countries use the 12mm Swedish & the 11.7mm  Danish rounds for killing moose & for taking polar bears for pelts. 
Both rounds are said to be perfectly capable of taking the moose/bears without destroying either the meat or pelt. 

Further a bull moose is both MUCH larger than a boar but also  about equally tough as a boar/bear.

Btw, I'm considering a mold that throws two HB 405 grain bullets in about  "SWC configuration" & loaded at about 1350FPS for my hunting ammo. - That should do the job acceptably, I would think.

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Reply #12 - May 8th, 2016 at 7:07pm
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Yes on the 45-70 brass. Right on the Lee HB bullet. I don't use wads with the HB bullet. I remember these rifles being sold by somebody like Golden State Arms. They were sold as 45-70's. This would have been in the 1960's. Smiley
  
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Reply #13 - May 8th, 2016 at 7:50pm
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J. G. Terry,

I have no idea who originally sold this one in the USA as the >55YO previous owner said that it belonged to his uncle, who passed away  in the mid-1950s.
(He said that the musket sat in a corner of the family home's garage for over 50 years unused & essentially forgotten, as there was never any ammo for it. - In fact, he said that he was surprised that somebody didn't throw it away as it was "worthless" as a hunting rifle.)

I'm really glad that it wasn't thrown away as it is mechanically fine with a great-looking/rust-free bore but rather "beat-up looking" wood.

Inasmuch as all of the known M-1867-96 RB have been re-chambered to centerfire/rebuilt/"modernized"/refinished at least 2-3 times by the Danish arsenals over the 140 years, I probably will try to "steam out" the worst of the dents & refinish the wood.

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Re: 11.7x56R Shooter, I'd Like to "Pick Your Brains"
Reply #14 - Jun 14th, 2016 at 10:35pm
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I didn't mean to sound as if I contradicted your comments. I remember the ads in AR. For some extra you could get a yatagan bayonet. Most of these rifles that I have seen have seen some use but have excellent bores. The Lee Hollow base bullet works well. My wood was oil soaked to some degree and responded well to a cleaning. For this I use the cleaners used by the antique furniture people. Good Shooting.
  
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