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Reply #30 - May 12th, 2016 at 10:06pm
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I couldn't see the caliber markings on it. My guess would be it is a .25 Stevens rimfire without seeing the actual barrel markings..
  
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Reply #31 - May 12th, 2016 at 10:12pm
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I bid $150 on it, but was traveling and just missed it.
If you look at all the pics, it is marked 25-21.
I agree, I would have bought it for the curiosity.
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Reply #32 - May 12th, 2016 at 11:05pm
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Have only ever seen two 94 Favorite framed rifles chambered in 22-15 SS.
Don't think it took very long for Stevens to change their mind about offering that chambering option, and I would be very leary of one in 25-21.
  

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Reply #33 - May 12th, 2016 at 11:47pm
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This 25-21 appears to be a 1894 frame and takedown screw and block numbered E659 with a model 44 barrel correctly factory marked 25-21 with the proper font and a 1915 type fore-end and a late butt plate with the big S Stevens used on late 1915's and some shotguns.  Note that the barrel address looks like a 44 marred with a dovetail and tapped for scope blocks.  Looks like a resurrection from the used parts barrel assembled by an otherwise bored "gunsmith".
 
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Reply #34 - May 13th, 2016 at 12:46am
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It was nagging me so I looked it up.  In Grant's second book he reprises an article by Allyn Tedmon, wherein Tedmon claimed that he had an 1899 catalog showing the Model 55 (Ladies Model) as being offered in several small centerfire chamberings, including .25-21.  He also wrote that the gun was built on the small sideplate frame, based on the catalog illustration.  Knowing as we do now that Stevens often recycled older cuts in their catalogs, we can be skeptical of that, so it seems possible that there was a .25-21 barrel that would fit a '94 Favorite frame.  Or maybe this one is a Model 55 with the wrong buttstock on it?  Man how I'd like to have it in my grubby paws for a close inspection!
  

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Reply #35 - May 13th, 2016 at 10:17am
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I have a 1894 Favorite action and but stock that is center fire has a european  proof mark on the action. And have seen one other at a Portland Or gun show that was centerfire the guy had a bunch of British guns and it was in a small rook caliber. Ken
  
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Reply #36 - May 13th, 2016 at 12:32pm
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kensmachine wrote on May 13th, 2016 at 10:17am:
I have a 1894 Favorite action and but stock that is center fire has a european  proof mark on the action. And have seen one other at a Portland Or gun show that was centerfire the guy had a bunch of British guns and it was in a small rook caliber. Ken      


Interesting !    Photos please?
  

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Reply #37 - May 15th, 2016 at 3:02pm
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A favorite offered recently on line was described as a 32 S&W Long and marked 32 Long on the barrel.  This would require altering the block and firing pin.  Then easier to leave chamber for 32 Long Colt with scarce brass or enlarging the chamber for 32 L S&W with plentiful brass.  This is uncertain on line as some stores do not know their old guns well, or at all.

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Reply #38 - May 15th, 2016 at 4:51pm
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coljimmy wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 3:02pm:
A favorite offered recently on line was described as a 32 S&W Long and marked 32 Long on the barrel.  This would require altering the block and firing pin.  Then easier to leave chamber for 32 Long Colt with scarce brass or enlarging the chamber for 32 L S&W with plentiful brass.  This is uncertain on line as some stores do not know their old guns well, or at all.

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Reply #39 - May 15th, 2016 at 6:01pm
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Curious to know if all Favorites with the "square-cut" receiver have steel buttplates, as does mine (#7455).  My suspicion is aroused because the one on mine doesn't fit well--stands proud of the wood at toe & heel, though there's no evidence the stock has been altered. Grant doesn't indicate (that I can find) when the transition to the hard-rubber plate was made, but I've assumed it probably accompanied the change to the radius-cut receiver.
  
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Reply #40 - May 15th, 2016 at 7:55pm
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Redsetter wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 6:01pm:
Curious to know if all Favorites with the "square-cut" receiver have steel buttplates, as does mine (#7455).  My suspicion is aroused because the one on mine doesn't fit well--stands proud of the wood at toe & heel, though there's no evidence the stock has been altered. Grant doesn't indicate (that I can find) when the transition to the hard-rubber plate was made, but I've assumed it probably accompanied the change to the radius-cut receiver.

If the stock is quarter sawn, that is the direction the shrinkage would have happened in the last 100 years.
  

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Reply #41 - May 16th, 2016 at 12:47am
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Redsetter:
Every one (6) that I have seen, mostly on line, have metal buttplates, from s/n 7455 (yours) to 56xxx.  4 more were not visible in on-line adds, highest s/n was 68648.  Hard to tell which were the first 1894 models but metal buttplates were seen occasionally in them and also in 1915 models, apparently an occasional production variation.   
Infrequent target/scheutzen butts were on fancy or special order rifles, probably rare as they would probably had a much better survival rate, and get cleaned more often.
3 of four sideplate small frames had metal plates, the other, not visible.  Highest s/n of them seen was 19xx.  I'm almost ready to claim that thin stamped metal buttplates were standatd in all sideplate small frames and square cut frames.
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Reply #42 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:01am
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Redsetter wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 6:01pm:
Curious to know if all Favorites with the "square-cut" receiver have steel buttplates, as does mine (#7455).  My suspicion is aroused because the one on mine doesn't fit well--stands proud of the wood at toe & heel, though there's no evidence the stock has been altered. Grant doesn't indicate (that I can find) when the transition to the hard-rubber plate was made, but I've assumed it probably accompanied the change to the radius-cut receiver.


On page 7 of Boys' Rifles Grant expresses the opinion that the transition to the hard rubber buttplate happened in 1898 or 1899, based on comparison of parts lists.

Compared to mine, yours is a very low serial number, suggesting that they very well may have started at zero, and thus produced a lot more than I ever imagined possible.  (Learn something every day!)  

BTW update on mine - Wisner's delivered the replacement mainspring, and oh, man is it too heavy!  Thickness .058" whereas the original was .010 thinner!   I've narrowed it on a belt-sander to where I can cock the hammer with only one hand.   Fired one round of Navy Arms ammo, which split longways from rim to mouth!  Shocked   Because the breechblock is tight against the breech face there wasn't any noticeable gas leakage, though.  Gotta mow the grass on the range before I shoot any more.....grass is obscuring the target. 
  

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Re: An early Favorite
Reply #43 - May 16th, 2016 at 11:01am
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coljimmy wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 12:47am:
...I'm almost ready to claim that thin stamped metal buttplates were standatd in all sideplate small frames and square cut frames.
James


Actually, the plate on this one seems remarkably heavy (for a boy's rifle, that is), and since it bears the last 3 digits of the ser. no., and there are no additional holes under it, I assume it's original, despite the poor fit.  Shrinkage, as suggested, might well account for it, though the metal overlaps the toe by almost 1/16". Inclines me to suspect the wood was oozing sap when it was machined!


  
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Reply #44 - May 16th, 2016 at 11:59pm
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Thanks for the hint, mine, s/n 51697, has the last three stamped across the lower inside of the buttplate upside down.  The plate measures 0.102-0.104 thick and looks like it was case hardened on the inside.  The bare wood under the plate appears to be numbered with a faint 69 with some sort of marker, room for a 7 but not visible.  Real quality not seen nowadays.
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