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Re: An early Favorite
Reply #15 - May 5th, 2016 at 2:13am
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Rebel wrote on May 4th, 2016 at 7:50pm:
Nice gun Frank!
Is it a two barrel set?
FWIW mine is SN# D274, 6 O'clock.
Aaron

It's not a two barrel set. I replaced the other barrel with a Remington 510 barrel and shorten it 1/2" and rechambered with my match reamer. I have since sold that barrel and sights.

It's a regularly used target rifle, shot in our monthly matches. I have a Mod 52 standard wt barrel to replace the Remington and will tap it and thread it in.

This one is U275

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Reply #16 - May 5th, 2016 at 10:50am
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slumlord44 wrote on May 4th, 2016 at 10:05pm:
I know you sure don't see many sideplates for sale so there can't be a lot out there. Managed to pick up a couple over the years but they are few and far between.


On pages 420 - 422  of Boys' Rifles Grant published a table of side-plate rifles he had obtained data for.   Serial numbers 43 to 1257.  
  

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Reply #17 - May 5th, 2016 at 11:55am
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My Side Plate Favorite is in the 1100 range.  They couldn't have been made for more than a year or two.

Maybe when the Company got their first shipment of hollow castings, they ran the stamping machine for three shifts until no more numbers would fit, then tossed them into a bin to be used as needed.  That could explain how they were "made" for only a short time, but used in assembly at the normal factory pace.
  
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Reply #18 - May 6th, 2016 at 11:43am
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I have been looking at favorites for about 18 months, mostly on-line ads, and have seen square cut frames in the 50,000 range.  Mine is 51,000 range.  Looks like the side plates were only 2,000 or so.  They apparently abandoned the serial number sequence and went to batch numbers like the 1875 Remington single actions, but with letters or figures.  One of mine has an ampersand, &, and I have seen another, but so far, no other figures.   
I strongly suspect that this rifle in question has a later barrel because the barrel address should be behind the sight on the top flat and have a "boxed" X at each end of the address, also the sights look like the later ones.  The early ones had a stepped breech stub of the barrel also.
Hope to send this stuff in to the journal soon.  PM me if you have any strange ones.
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Reply #19 - May 6th, 2016 at 11:54am
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Oops, sorry.  Didn't realize the other pictures were another gun.  The barrel is appropriate for it.  Both nice guns.
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Reply #20 - May 6th, 2016 at 2:14pm
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Just for reference - that boxed X comes and goes on Model 44s. I don't think it can be used as a dating reference.

Wouldn't you know it?  My expensive ammo arrives tomorrow, but last night while I was fondling the little Favorite the mainspring snapped!  Cry    
Fortunately Wisner's lists them.  Smiley   
But they aren't open to take orders on Fridays.  Sad
  

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Reply #21 - May 10th, 2016 at 12:57pm
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A few good tough rubber bands should work in a pinch.  I've seen matches won  with a 44 using that method  Huh
  

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Reply #22 - May 10th, 2016 at 4:31pm
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Yes these are rare boys favorite rifles with the sideplates even moreso. Here is my deluxe square corner action favorite boys rifle that probably a father got for his son. It was found on Orillia Ontario. It couldn't be the famed ladies favorite for that boy, so he paid extra for this one instead. It is serial numbered in the 27xxx range and has deluxe wood, swiss butt plate and target sights in .22 caliber. There was a nice period case for it, but I'm not sure it was for it.
  
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Reply #23 - May 10th, 2016 at 5:16pm
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More pictures please !

27xxx to 56888.  That's a lotta little rifles in a short time, unless we posit that the square corner lasted more than two years.  (Which is pure hypothecation, based on the belief that the Model 44 lost its' square corner in 1896.)   Maybe a series starting at zero IS plausible.
  

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Reply #24 - May 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm
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Yes, here is the serial number. I gent before stated that possibly 50,000 of these were made and shipped out in one year or less. There was little in the boys rifle category at this time. Later it seemed to catch on and take off in sales. there were a lot of young fellow around in America and Canada, and they wanted a boy rifle as it was the thing to have then.
I remember going to James Grants house with some of my "unusual / odd ball" Stevens rifles that I found here in Southern Ontario. He examined them with me and we entered them into his next book on SS Rilfes.
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Re: An early Favorite
Reply #25 - May 10th, 2016 at 10:42pm
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My Sideplate Favorite in .32 Long Rimfire. No serial # in my records. Will pull it out when I have time to double check the fact that there is no serial #. Anyone else run into one without a serial #
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Reply #26 - May 10th, 2016 at 11:48pm
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Well, I was hypothesizing two years time, but maybe.  As you say the market wasn't awash in boys' rifles in 1894/5. And the '94 Favorite was a very well made product, sure to attract a lot of positive (I almost said favorable) comment.  Not to mention a rush to own the latest, (like iGadgets have been in the last few years).

One thing that still nags at me is that, from my survey of the Model 44 and its' 1894/5 predecessor, (the 107/108/109), that there are seemingly so few of the latter.  I have s/n 2023 in my collection, and the last that I've logged so far is 2629.  The first one with 1896 model numbering scheme is 3210, which suggests that only about 1000 of them were made in the same time period in which it seems that they may have made 50,000+ of the Favorite.   Maybe they just didn't have time to build many of the bigger one....?
  

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Reply #27 - May 11th, 2016 at 1:19pm
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Thanks, fellers for the information.  My square frame is #51697 in .22 with the cheap simple sights and the address with the boxed X on the top barrel flat to the rear of the sight and the 7 o'clock extractor which doesn't work every time.  A person paralyzed on one side from a stroke usually swallows better leaning on the other side.  Think I'll try that on this gun.   

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Re: An early Favorite
Reply #28 - May 12th, 2016 at 7:59pm
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What do you guys think this is about?

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Re-barrel? 
was there ever a 25-21 Favorite?
Did I miss a rare piece for $160?
  

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Reply #29 - May 12th, 2016 at 9:25pm
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Rebel wrote on May 12th, 2016 at 7:59pm:
What do you guys think this is about?

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Re-barrel? 
was there ever a 25-21 Favorite?
Did I miss a rare piece for $160?


Not as far as I know.  The "Ladies Model" based on the Favorite frame could be had in .22-15, but the wood on that doesn't look like a Ladies Model, nor does the buttplate.  At that price I would have snapped that one up just to find out what it really was.  

The seller KIKO Auctioneers is a big runner of live auctions in NE Ohio.  Everything from Real Estate down to box lots of attic junk.  If I'd seen that in their live auction ads, which I read every week, I woulda been there.   Cry
  

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