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An early Favorite
May 2nd, 2016 at 4:46pm
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Couple of weeks ago I acquired this '94 series Favorite, .32 Rimfire, which has me curious.   On the one hand, it's got the sharp corner receiver, like the larger Model 107/108/..series that we know (or think we know) were only made in 1894 and 1895.   It also has a real serial number, 56888.  Barrel matches. Has the 1894 patent date.  

Grant believed that the sideplate Favoites were only sold in 1893, and the solid-frame Favorite was first shipped 1894, so how come that serial number is so high?   

Did they use numbers from the Tip-Up series?   Did they continue the sharp corner past 1895 on the Favorites?  Is it a '95 and they sold over 56,000 Favorites in the first year? 
  

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Re: An early Favorite
Reply #1 - May 2nd, 2016 at 4:49pm
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Nice gun Phil, and solving mysteries is part of the fun.
Good hunting,
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Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2016 at 4:57pm
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Yah, it's a peach compared to many Favorites you find.  Traces of case color, bore is a solid 7, trigger is as good as they get, and after I put in some oversize link pins it locks up like the proverbial bank vault.  The case hardening on the breechblock is so deep that I had to use a carbide countersink to break it so I could ream the hole for the new link pin.  

Lots more pics here:  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

  

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Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2016 at 9:36pm
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Don't know anything about Stevens rifles, but is it possible that the serial numbering didn't start at the number 1?
Has anybody seen an example with, say, a number in the low hundreds?
I'm not trying to tell those of you with experience here anything, just posing an idea in case it hasn't been considered.
  
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Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2016 at 10:30pm
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great pics!
Your post made me dig out my 32 Favorite, some crummy cell phone pics below.
Aaron

edit, I can't get the SN# pic to post ,too large.
Strange as the same cell phone as other pics.
SN# 274 seems low.
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Reply #5 - May 3rd, 2016 at 1:00am
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Why does that buttstock kinda remind me of a Hopkins and Allen?
  

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calledflyer wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 9:36pm:
Don't know anything about Stevens rifles, but is it possible that the serial numbering didn't start at the number 1?
Has anybody seen an example with, say, a number in the low hundreds?
I'm not trying to tell those of you with experience here anything, just posing an idea in case it hasn't been considered.


That's what I'm thinking - that they didn't start with 0001.  Hoping somebody has read a source that I haven't seen.

Almost all Favorites you see seem to have a "low" serial number.  At some point they quit using a sequential s/n and went to using a "code" which has a letter followed by up to four digits.   Grant covers this in "Boys' Rifles".   I'd love to find out when this happened, but like everything Stevens, we'll probably never know.   

I can't bear to modify this one to shoot .32 Colt, as I have for a couple of other makes.   It's just too fine a specimen.  So I set my credit card afire buying a box of Navy Arms ammo for it tonight.
  

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Reply #7 - May 3rd, 2016 at 8:14pm
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According to American Boys' Rifles by Jim Perkins, the Stevens Company claimed to have shipped 18,000 Favorites in one week alone.  No mention of provenance, or what year this "one week" occurred, but it isn't completely out of possibility that a year's worth of shipping got out 56,000 rifles.  There wasn't much in the way of competition in the Boy's Rifle market back then; except for Floberts and such like, most .22s were still adult sized.  And every kid wanted a gun back then; it was a rite of passage of sorts.

I have a sharp corner Favorite in .32 RF with no caliber marking on the barrel, but the Stevens and 1894 patent dates, Serial 49085.  There's another receiver around here with a "real" serial number on it as well, but I can't find it at the moment.

I used to make it a point to glom onto any Favorite I saw at a Gun Show that was going for much less than 50 bucks.  Don't know why; sort of like that Jerry guy in Conspiracy Theory who kept buying copies of Catcher In The Rye, I guess.  I also looked at a lot of others.  Most of them had the alphanumeric codes on them; only a couple had  "real" serial numbers.  Grant speculated that the actual numbers went up to where there was no more space on the tangs between the stock screw and the mainspring stud and then they went to the codes.  By my specimen, I would say that 99,999 was the cutoff.

I shoot my better condition .25 and .32 Rimfires on special occasions too.  Something you just have to do for the Experience.  Like those guys in the Explorer's Club in the 1920's that had that dinner of frozen Mammoth meat, dug out of the glacier and flown to New York.  Where will you get another chance, unless they invent a Time Machine?
  
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Reply #8 - May 3rd, 2016 at 9:32pm
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Rebel, think I've seen that gun before. Sure doesn't look like any Favorite stock I've ever seen before. A 44 model 45 stock and buttplate possibly? Sure looks good on the Favorite. Good discussion on trying to date the Favorites. For me to do it I have to go back and forth between several reference sources and it's still only possible to come up with a range of a few years rather than an exact year. I also shoot my odd calibers on occasion. I have a good supply of Canuck .25 that I bought back when you could get it for $1 a round. I splurged and spoiled myself at the time. Thought $1 was crazy then. Don't have as much. Bought 4 boxes of the Navy Arms stuff when they had the last run when I was still looking for a .32. Picked up a couple more after that.
  
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Reply #9 - May 3rd, 2016 at 10:50pm
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The 1894 that I built for my wife. So, it is a "real" Lady's model Smiley

I had the stock made locally using a Stevens 44 stock and a #2 Schuetzen butt plate. I believe the stock maker, still has the pattern he made it from, if anyone is interested.

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Reply #10 - May 4th, 2016 at 1:27am
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I could believe 18,000 a week in the Irving Page era, after he'd expanded the plant so much.  In 1894 the plant was still under 100 employees, was it not?   

The buttstock on mine is original.  It is marked 888 in chalk under the buttplate.
  

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Reply #11 - May 4th, 2016 at 6:34pm
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It doesn't sound logical, but the numbers are there on the tangs.  Even if they continued the series from the small Side Plate, that wouldn't give them much of a boost in quantity.
  
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Reply #12 - May 4th, 2016 at 7:50pm
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Nice gun Frank!
Is it a two barrel set?
FWIW mine is SN# D274, 6 O'clock.
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Reply #13 - May 4th, 2016 at 8:44pm
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Bent_Ramrod wrote on May 4th, 2016 at 6:34pm:
It doesn't sound logical, but the numbers are there on the tangs.  Even if they continued the series from the small Side Plate, that wouldn't give them much of a boost in quantity.


I've been trying to convince myself that that's what might be the case, but I've been scouring Grant last night and today, and by his account the number of side-plates was quite low.   
  

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Reply #14 - May 4th, 2016 at 10:05pm
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I know you sure don't see many sideplates for sale so there can't be a lot out there. Managed to pick up a couple over the years but they are few and far between. Got a large frame that has its original .25 Stevens barrel and a 44 barrel in .22 that was modified to fit. Works fine and lets me at least shoot the gun whenever I want to.
  
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