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Re: 32/40 black powder info
Reply #15 - May 4th, 2016 at 6:43am
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My experience, such as it is, has showed me that the straight cases are easier to get shooting right with black than the 38-56 which has proved somewhat difficult. My first CPA was a 40-65 and shot well with very little experimenting. the next two, a 45-70 and my current 45-90 were both easy as well. I'm kicking myself for choosing the 38-56 but my choice to go to 38-56 was made because I had plenty of 45-70 brass I could re form to 38-56 and I would not have to muck around changing the extractor every time I switched barrels.
I think it will be best if I go to 38-55 as there is no problem getting the correct brass here, I have 38 cal bullet moulds, and the possibility exists to possibly have my existing barrel re chambered. For the type of shooting the black powder club does here, loosing a couple of inches off the barrel will probably be neither here nor there. Guess I should have gone 35-55 in the first place, live and learn.
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Reply #16 - May 4th, 2016 at 8:08am
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You will definitely have to set back your 38-56 to get it to 38-55 due to the considerably larger chamber in the 38-56. I have a spare 14" twist full-octagon GM 30" long in 38-56 that I might sell if you want to do so. Probably would finish at something between 28" & 29" after cutting and rechambering.
  

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Reply #17 - May 4th, 2016 at 10:43pm
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SSS shooter.
I think it might have been you that caused me to consider the 38/56 in the first place, I wonder if you could see your way clear to send me a lock of your hair and some fingernail clippings for an experimental doll I'm making. Seriously, although I have it shooting OK now it has been a long haul, filled with frustration and colourful language.
My local gunsmith will do the re chambering job for a reasonable fee and the 2" barrel loss is acceptable compared to buying a new one.
My main problem is trying to get a loan of a 38-55 reamer for the gunsmith to use.
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Reply #18 - May 5th, 2016 at 3:24pm
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ch4d reamer rentals.
Last time I looked, about $30 or so   
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Reply #19 - May 5th, 2016 at 11:26pm
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That sounds like a plan providing they have no objection to posting it to Australia. Hopefully I can source on locally but no luck so far.
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Reply #20 - May 6th, 2016 at 7:52pm
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The 38-55 looks like it may be the way to go as I won't have to get another barrel, new brass, dies, and breech seater.
Regarding cutting back the barrel so that it can be re chambered a few problems pop up. Firstly the fore end will have to be moved further forward thereby making the octagonal portion of the barrel finish two inches inside the fore end. Secondly the scope blocks for my Lyman STS will have to be re located, thirdly the barrel stub will have to be re threaded and the barrel indexed correctly to align with the top flat of the receiver. Might it not be possible to machine out the existing chamber and install a liner chambered for the 38-55 ?.
This may or may not be possible but if it was would save a lot of extra modifications having to be done, any ideas ?.
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Reply #21 - May 6th, 2016 at 11:05pm
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38-55 chamber insert sounds feasible. Ask John Taylor.
  

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Reply #22 - May 7th, 2016 at 6:32am
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Much said on the Internet about 38/55 brass. Fact its makes no difference how long your basic brass is.  Too long trim, too short seat your bullet out a bit more.

Small length difference the bullet does not know how long the brass was when launched. 

Bullets can't read head stamps either.

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Reply #23 - May 7th, 2016 at 8:05pm
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I would ask John Taylor if I knew who he is and had a contact number, any clues ?.
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I don't care what the head stamp is providing it fits the chamber correctly. Having had no experience with the 38-55 whatsoever I was somewhat confused by seeing two different lengths advertised in Australia. From memory I think one was 38-55 WCF and the other was 38-55 WCF Long. What would be the advantage of one over the other, if any, when using black powder ?.
I thought a few more people may have chimed in regarding my chamber liner idea, perhaps it has been tried before and doesn't work OK.
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Reply #24 - May 7th, 2016 at 8:16pm
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He is on the forum as John Taylor.

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Reply #25 - May 7th, 2016 at 8:22pm
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Mike there are two lengths of .38-55, one is 2.080 long and the other is 2.125" long.   The original length for the cartridge is the longer one.  The longer one will hold more powder.  I can put 58gr of powder in my FFg breech seated loads or 50gr of Fg with room for  0.030" wad with no compression.

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Reply #26 - May 8th, 2016 at 9:36am
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A skilled gunsmith can turn a steel bushing to the outside dimensions of the .38-56, put a pilot hole in the center, and braze or solder it into your chamber and rechamber to .38-55.  He'll also have to cut the extractor groove.  Whether this will be cheaper than just rebarreling I don't know.  I do know that I sweated away five pounds doing one of these jobs, although it turned out well.

Definitely rechamber for the old 2.125 length shell, as this will clean out the vestiges of the 2.10 length .38-56 case mouth.  The shorter case was a miserable abomination foisted on the public when Winchester started making the .375 Winchester round, with that length case.  It was easier to headstamp ".38-55 WIN" on the very occasional runs they did, and use the same setups they otherwise used for the .375, than to draw the shells to the old length.

It is easy to tell when a manufacturer does not care about a shell he is manufacturing because it is obsolete.  I've seen late batches of .25-20 Single Shot and .32-20 (before its revival) shorter than factory specs, and in addition, cases in the box were different in length than others in the same box.
  
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Re: 32/40 black powder info
Reply #27 - May 8th, 2016 at 8:44pm
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Would it be possible for a skilled gunsmith to cut a 38-55 chamber in the stock material and then turn the outside dimension to fit the existing chamber ?.
The reason I ask this is that finding a gunsmith where I live who firstly has the reamer, and secondly is up to the job.
Having it done in the US by someone used to this type of work would be preferable, an added bonus is that shipping costs for the finished chamber insert would be considerably less than that for a new barrel.  Having it soldered into my existing barrel by a local gunsmith should not be much of a problem ( hopefully ).
As a matter of interest I will contact Gail at CPA for a quote in a new barrel chambered in 38-55.
Thanks again for all the help.
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Re: 32/40 black powder info
Reply #28 - May 9th, 2016 at 12:11am
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There would be some potential for misalignment of chamber and barrel if done the way you say.  Also, the "long" .38-55 chamber would take out the front of your present chamber and extend the leade 0.025" or so.  This would not be possible with a chambered insert as you contemplate.  You could chamber for the "short" .38-55 and trust to luck that you could seat the bullet out or breech seat for the freebore you would have.

I don't know whether I did my bushing and rechambering job "the right way" but it did work out.  It was a .22-15-60 Stevens single shot barrel with a good bore that somebody had mangled the rear part of the chamber.  I set the barrel up in a lathe, indicating the bore at both ends, and bored a 3/8" cylindrical hole with a flat bottom to a depth sufficient to take out the bad part of the chamber.

I then turned a piece of junk .22 barrel to a sliding fit in the hole and drilled a hole through the center about the bore diameter of the damaged Stevens barrel, and tinned the outside with solder.  I turned a graphite rod to bore diameter and put it into the bore, tinned the hole, and sweated the cylinder into the hole such that it slid in on the graphite rod and the center hole stayed concentric with the bore.  When the solder cooled, I had to break the graphite rod up to get it out.

I turned the end off the insert until the breechblock fit with no slop. I milled the slot to fit the extractor and set it up again and bored the chamber into the insert as close as I could, using the drawing in the back of Kelver's Respectfully Yours, H. M. Pope.  Getting to the end of the insert and making sure there was no positive or negative "step" between the new and old parts of the chamber was a pretty nerve wracking job.  I kept checking it with one of the few empty shells I'd been able to scrounge, full length sized.  They wouldn't quite go in even though the chamber looked even, so I made a reamer of sorts according to the same drawing and after a few turns, the cases I had seated home.  I think it was a little solder at the end of the bushing that was projecting into the chamber.

It was a red letter day when I loaded those cases, fired them and saw that they extracted easily with no marks or difficulty.  I really, really wanted to see how that .22-15 Stevens shot all right. What a gunsmith would charge for that, I have no idea.
  
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Re: 32/40 black powder info
Reply #29 - May 9th, 2016 at 6:12am
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Wow. Now that's an example of thread veer... I was looking for 32-40 black powder info and ended up reading about 38-55 chamber lengths! LOL
  
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