John,
Are the Quarter Bore shooters a elite group? There is very little difference between QB and the Traditional 28's. 

I'm really not understanding your reasoning regarding this. It would seem that it would be much easier to just sell your FBW action and by a original 44 1/2, HW, Ballard, Borchart or even a RB, than try to change a established group. I hear no out cry about allowing a non-traditional action for the QB matches nor do I hear them being called "elitist".

For interest in the Traditional 28's, why not put on matches at your range and add your results as a non-qualifying entry? There are far to many "modern" actions being used and just because a action uses a external hammer, doesn't make it "Traditional". 

The Traditional classification is there for a reason and should be encouraged not set aside for any one person. I would encourage you to try to keep our shooting as traditional as possible. It's about all we have left to keep us alive.

Another option to you is to start a Modern 28 group, you can make up any rules that you like that way.

The easy way is to build a confoming rifle, I can't cange the rules!

Frank

Frank the Quarter Bore Group is an extremely alive and active group thanks to Ken Meyers and yes I would consider it be an elite group why wouldn't I or anyone else for that matter?

The Traditional 28 group hasn't shown any life to it in at least two years now thanks to whom may I ask? No scores, no match announcements, no updates, no anything not even a word of encouragement to let others who might be interested that it still even exists unlike the way the Quarter Bore Group is managed.

Keep it as you will its yours to run and manage and I surely don't need to be a part of it and I would guess those like myself who don't quite fit the rules don't need it either. Sometimes change is good especially when something has already died a slow and meaningless death in an attempt to try and bring at least a part of it back to life. 

It was just a bit of friendly advice and I can see it was un-welcomed as such with an elitist type attitude and so its time for me to simply move onto something more constructive for those outside your group.

JLouis

BP wrote on Apr 24^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

But what if the factory doesn't load BP today?   

On secod thought, why not form 30-30 to 25-35 then blow it out? 

Or Hornady

JLouis

If the case head size and the lenth of the case was loaded originally with BP, you may do anything to it's shape, to make it 28 caliber. The 38/50 was originally loaded with BP, it's the same case head and length as the 30/30 so, you may do anything you like to make a 2" long 28 caliber from it. Same as you can also do that to the 45/70 or the 32 Ideal or 30/30 Wesson (357 Max).

The rules were made to incourage wildcating as was done for new cartridges in the "Golden Era". But, you are restricted to rifles that meet the Traditional Class in both ASSRA & ISSA. That's part of the QB rules, also.

The class was design, not to be elitist but, to encourage the use of Traditional rifles and wildcating. Besides the 28/30, Mann did 3 other lengths based on that case, the was a 28 on the 32 Ideal case, another one on the 32/35 Stevens case, as well as the first known 28 bases on the 32 Wesson XL. It predated the 25/20SS that was also based on the 32 Wesson XL.

The only real restriction is that you have to use a Traditional action. There are lots of them still around and many people are still building Traditional class rifles for ASSRA & ISSA competition. The Traditional class was started to preserve this type of competition and not allow modern improvements like wide forearms or space age looking single shots, whether pre 1917 or not.

John, what you need to do, is go back a re-fight trying to get the FBW action, listed as traditional. Then it's a done deal, you qualify.

Frank

Frank in an earlier post you quoted "Bob, If your interested, I can send you the rules but, basically you can use any case that was available in a BP cartridge and neck it to 28 cal. You can not shorten it though, accept for the 28/30, that because F W Mann made 3 diffent lenghts of 28's on the 28/30 case."

If the 30-30 case becomes shorter when transforming it into 28 of which is quite typical at times would it still be legal?

JLouis

Gee, how could anybody possibly read anything into THAT?