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Help identifying a falling block rifle (Read 3922 times)

singleshotsam Oldtimer Offline Posts: 559 Location: Silver City NM Joined: Jan 15^th, 2009	Help identifying a falling block rifle Apr 19^th, 2016 at 9:33pm	Print Post
	A local friend/collector just purchased a rifle in 22 Hornet, I have gone through my reference books and can not positively identify it for him. There is no maker marked on the receiver or barrel possibly because all the "scratches" obliterated any original marking. Any assistance will be appreciated. Also if anyone can shed light on where and by whom the rifle was modified by it would be appreciated. As a side note, this gentleman bring items like this by frequently for me to look at and fondle. It is very difficult to return them! SSS


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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Help identifying a falling block rifle Reply #1 - Apr 19^th, 2016 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	Absolutely gorgeous! The owner must have some incredible rifles, as he often stops by. Lucky you! Aaron

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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 594 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Help identifying a falling block rifle Reply #2 - Apr 19^th, 2016 at 10:39pm	Print Post
	I need to meet your friends ! The action looks like System Nimrod (see Alte Scheibenwaffen Vol.2, pages 252-257). The left side of the action has a raised wall at the breech block and the right side of the action does not ... like some of Pope's Winchester High Wall modifications. This rifle looks most like the example on page 257 before all the customization. ... my $0.02 ... Joe


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Longdistance1 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 432 Location: Amidon, ND Joined: Feb 11^th, 2013	Re: Help identifying a falling block rifle Reply #3 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 1:11am	Print Post
	In De Haas book Singleshot Rifles &Actions there is a very similar rifle pictured listed as Another German Falling Block page 265


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Help identifying a falling block rifle Reply #4 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 5:52am	Print Post
	Looks like my sporting rifle which I think is a System Nimrod;


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sharps4590 Junior Member Offline Posts: 91 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: Help identifying a falling block rifle Reply #5 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 7:13am	Print Post
	I don't know but I like it! If you don't have the series of "Alte Scheibenwaffen" books I recommend them. I just started collecting them and only have Vol. 1 but the others will be added.


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: Help identifying a falling block rifle Reply #6 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 4:03pm	Print Post
	singleshotsam wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 9:33pm: A local friend/collector just purchased a rifle in 22 Hornet, I have gone through my reference books and can not positively identify it for him. There is no maker marked on the receiver or barrel possibly because all the "scratches" obliterated any original marking. Any assistance will be appreciated. Also if anyone can shed light on where and by whom the rifle was modified by it would be appreciated. As a side note, this gentleman bring items like this by frequently for me to look at and fondle. It is very difficult to return them! SSS Sam, I'd check on the 'Proof Marks' first. That will confirm which European country the firearm was made in. Then try finding out which gunsmiths in that country were operational from say 1870's to the 1910 era. Many single shot actions were made and sold as such through the trade, leaving it to the gunsmith to barrel, chamber, stock and finish the firearm. Such rifles could have been made in half a dozen European countries. Good luck with your search. Harry


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2846 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Help identifying a falling block rifle Reply #7 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	Is it marked "Hornet"? There is a European near-equivalent. the Vierling. Check bore & groove diameters.


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Help identifying a falling block rifle Reply #8 - May 1^st, 2016 at 8:22pm	Print Post
	I think that action type was made and sold under several different names over quite a long period of time. The 22 Hornets /Vierlings were, and may be still be, popular for "running Boar" target matches. which if I remember right was a match shot at a moving paper animal target that flashed across an opening at various ranges. center fire cartridges were required and the 22 Hornet/Vierling was about the minimal cartridge for a light rifle and minimal recoil. If I remember my reading correctly, the Euro version was loaded to higher velocities that US factory 22H since we had so many rifles with less action strength chambered for the cartridge. BiggiH might have more information on this.

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