I agree, but I think if you look at the facts, Hudson's achievement has not truly been beaten.  I have copies of the targets from both Hudson and Pope, as well as the score sheet from that fabled day in 1903.  It is pretty fun to look at and wonder what it would have been like to have been there.  The fact to remember is that they were not there for a social gathering, they were there to win!  Had it not had the competitive spirit, it would have been long forgotten.  Winning that match both offered substantial money, and fame that is still continuing today.  What a prize!

Smokeless is an improvement, but 250s went wild with little cases, faster twists, bigger bullets and BR stocks. There were very few back in the 80s when I started  even though white powder had been quite common for 75 years.

ledball wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 8:41pm:

Yeah, but back when I could see irons, I felt a scope was a disadvantage in the 100 shot 

No. No one is shooting 250s with BP.

     Joe.

westerner wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 11:59pm:


I am pretty sure both Jack Odor and Steve Garbe have done it, as well as perhaps Larry Kearns.  Jack Odor has told me that there is really not much difference between the black and smokeless loads.  Jack blow tubes and runs one dry patch through.  It is just a little more work to clean the gun and brass when you are done.  Garbe seems to think he can make it work better than smokeless.  In the messing I have done with it, it really didn't seem any different than the smokeless loads other than the smoke and more cleanup effort.  I have not shot a 250 with black, but have several 246's and 247's on the wall.  Of course, I have only shot one or two 250's with smokeless in my life as well.  I do not have a bench gun, I am just using my offhand rifle.  I have a hard time getting excited about bench shooting, as I really enjoy the offhand part.  The opinion seems to be the 38-55 worked better with black, although the 32-40 can be used to good effect as well.  I am an avid black powder fan, but didn't see the use of messing with it in my schuetzen rifle.  The Butte club only allows black, but they don't do any bench shooting, so there is no reference there.  Next time I talk to Ted Tompkins, I will ask him about his bench groups.
take care, Cody

Cody, I am not aware of any 250s shot by Jack or Steve. If they had, I'm sure we would have read about it somewhere. 

The Butte Gun Club allows smokeless in monthly matches. BP is required in the Jim Gier Memorial and John Taylor Memorial matches. 

      Joe. 

Dr Hudson's worst shots were 20s    (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

Anyone know what rifle he used? Goggle doesn't seem of know

  You mean "correctly".