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bruce moulds Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 290 Location: the antipodes Joined: Mar 14^th, 2015	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #60 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 1:10am	Print Post
	so breech seat bore diameter ones in the 33.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #61 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 2:44am	Print Post
	What modern commonly available rifling is best? Pope rifling wasn't really intended for PP was it?

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bruce moulds Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 290 Location: the antipodes Joined: Mar 14^th, 2015	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #62 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 5:43am	Print Post
	most of it is probably o.k. ron smith gaintwist will shed confetti well. not sure what constitutes pope rifling? keep safe, bruce.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #63 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 6:55am	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 2:44am: What modern commonly available rifling is best? Pope rifling wasn't really intended for PP was it? Pope and Schalk both made barrels for GG bullets. Quote: not sure what constitutes pope rifling? Pope's rifling form had a groove whose floor did not follow the arc of the bore, as modern rifling generally does. The floor was almost flat, so that in the middle it was barely more than bore diameter.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #64 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 7:09am	Print Post
	Interesting link: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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bruce moulds Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 290 Location: the antipodes Joined: Mar 14^th, 2015	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #65 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 7:21am	Print Post
	from the sound of it, pope rifling would be fine for pp bullets, both bore and groove diameter, depending on the chamber.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #66 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	bruce moulds wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 7:21am: from the sound of it, pope rifling would be fine for pp bullets, both bore and groove diameter, depending on the chamber. The chamber ends at groove diameter and GG bullets that shoot the best, .342 requires firm mechanical force to breech seat. Sounds like that might be a little hard on PP? Do PP rifles shoot out like RB muzzle loaders do after 5 or 10 thousand shots?

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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #67 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 3:03pm	Print Post
	Do PP rifles shoot out like RB muzzle loaders do after 5 or 10 thousand shots? I have no experience on this, but I do have a couple of patents with Pitney Bowes on mailing machines, and I can tell you paper is abrasive due to it's clay content. Aaron

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #68 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	That doesn't sound like it would be prudent to PP in a Pope barrel.

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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 864 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #69 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 7:10pm	Print Post
	Clay is added to paper to add weight, a quality paper does not have any clay. Ask the paper maker before purchasing.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #70 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	Premod70 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 7:10pm: Clay is added to paper to add weight, a quality paper does not have any clay. Ask the paper maker before purchasing. I've observed that there is clay residue left when burning glossy paper, as from magazines and catalogs, but not from burning ordinary bond paper. Do I need to look more closely?

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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #71 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 8:12pm	Print Post
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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #72 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	Rebel, that link doesn't want to work.

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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 864 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #73 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 7:55pm: Premod70 wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 7:10pm: Clay is added to paper to add weight, a quality paper does not have any clay. Ask the paper maker before purchasing. I've observed that there is clay residue left when burning glossy paper, as from magazines and catalogs, but not from burning ordinary bond paper. Do I need to look more closely? Yes, a call to the maker is money well spent.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #74 - Apr 18^th, 2016 at 10:58pm	Print Post
	Rebel wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 8:12pm: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Linky no worky. But if I cut-and-paste it into the URL command line in my browser, it does. Bottom line appears to me to be: Modern papers almost all have clay, but this didn't start until synthetic bonding agents became available. So the old-timers would not have worn their barrels out much, but we will.
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