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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Paper patching, why? Apr 7^th, 2016 at 11:50am	Print Post
	I have never known anyone (PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN OR LESS) who paper patched in our long range BP matches here in the PNW and BC who did not get better accuracy going to lubed bullets. I'm wondering why go to the trouble of doing it?

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11439 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	I think a lot of these paper patch shooters are Germans. They have very hard heads. Joe.

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kkid66 Full Member Offline Posts: 186 Location: central tx Joined: Jun 4^th, 2014	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 1:29pm	Print Post
	A fellow BPCR shooter ask me why on earth I wanted to shoot paper patch. I told him I guess same reason I shoot BPCR when I could be shooting my 6x47 Lapua.


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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 2:27pm	Print Post
	[quote author=1D2D263B2B3A342B202A2F382B4E0 link=1460044226/4#4 date=1460052813 Yet they claim PP keeps the barrel cleaner. [/quote] Imagine how bad their grease groove loads were! Grisen


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 2:38pm	Print Post
	As to why period shooters continued to paper-patch long after lubed bullets had been introduced, one obvious and not necessarily trivial answer is (as the song says) Tradition. And tradition dies hard. Plus even today, whether shooting new or original guns, I'm likely not the only one who has a twinge of historic connection/nostalgia/whatever-you-call-it when that business-looking paper-patched shell slides home. (Plus in many guns they do shoot very, very well!) Bill Lawrence


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11439 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	I got the traditional nostalgia PP thing out of my system a long time ago. I started with PP. It was fun but GG bullets are faster to make and for me much more accurate. Had I stuck with it, maybe I'd have had more success. Fred Gardner tried to get PP to work in the Puget Sound area for a few years. He finally went with the greasers. Thinking a dry climate is better when using PP bullets. I still shoot PP bullets in percussion rifles occasionaly. Greasers are far better. Joe.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11439 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	Paper patched bullets are "traditional"? Grease groove bullets are not "traditional"? Huh? Joe.

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	There are some shooters who just haven't found enough to drive them completly nuts trying to keep a bullet in the air for a little over 3 seconds and still hit a target So to completely drive them selves around the bend they spend time they could put to a good use (like finishing a bottle of good Bourbon) by cutting out little paper diapers for their bullets. 40 Rod


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2257 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #8 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	I enjoy shooting paper patched bullets quite a lot, although I also shoot a lot of grease grooved bullets. To me it's just another way of enjoying single shot rifles. But also all of my relatives are German. I'm a first generation Canadian so probably still have a hard head Chris.


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Yellowhouse Full Member Offline Posts: 155 Location: Oklahoma Joined: Mar 31^st, 2008	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #9 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	One reason that ppb may not perform as well is that they are trying to shoot ppb in barrels designed for greasers. In a proper barrel with correct chambers some of these guys can shoot lights out.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #10 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 9:58pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 4:33pm: There are some shooters who just haven't found enough to drive them completly nuts trying to keep a bullet in the air for a little over 3 seconds and still hit a target So to completely drive them selves around the bend they spend time they could put to a good use (like finishing a bottle of good Bourbon) by cutting out little paper diapers for their bullets. 40 Rod Think you've got it.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #11 - Apr 7^th, 2016 at 11:15pm	Print Post
	Yellowhouse wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 8:13pm: One reason that ppb may not perform as well is that they are trying to shoot ppb in barrels designed for greasers. In a proper barrel with correct chambers some of these guys can shoot lights out. What is the correct barrel and chamber?

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #12 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:04am	Print Post
	Schuetzenmiester, Weren't the original shallow grooved pp barrels also indicated by having problems trying to stuff a correct cartridge case carrying a greaser bullet into the pp chamber?

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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1671 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #13 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:07am	Print Post
	There's another goodreason when done correctly - no leading, no issues with grease too hard or soft,.. And, you know, in most countries the PP bullet kept on going till the small-calibre nitro cartridges came on - the US was an exception. Just look at the military rounds of the era.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Paper patching, why? Reply #14 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 12:25am	Print Post
	gunlaker wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 5:11pm: But also all of my relatives are German. I'm a first generation Canadian so probably still have a hard head Chris. My grandpa was Pennsylvania Dutch (German), about a 4th generation American, but about 8 generations removed from the old country. They became British Subjects upon arrival. Some speculated if he was the hard headed-est man in Idaho Sounds like most do it just because............ like I shoot flintlock because it is more fun to b eat cap locks in the rain and would rather cast a dry fly than catch fish

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