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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Guns at the Reno Big Show Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	A couple of nicely engraved rifles. These will be at the Reno show next weekend if you want to come see them in person. This is a Johann Springer. It's a cartridge gun. The breech block rotates 180 degrees in the receiver to open. Most interesting action.
	« Last Edit: Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 9:56pm by Smoke »

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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show: John Springer #2 Reply #1 - Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 9:45pm	Print Post
	Yes, those are devils. Ah, that German sense of humor.
	« Last Edit: Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 9:52pm by Smoke »

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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #2 - Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 9:53pm	Print Post
	Special order Ballard #6 1/2 with double set triggers, rebarreled by A. O. Zischang.
	« Last Edit: Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 9:58pm by Smoke »

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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #3 - Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 9:55pm	Print Post
	Zischang also "gunsmithed" the Ballard triggers. Not your average Ballard engraving.


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patriot Participating Member Offline Posts: 34 Joined: Mar 29^th, 2015	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #4 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 9:08am	Print Post
	Smoke wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 9:55pm: Zischang also "gunsmithed" the Ballard triggers. Not your average Ballard engraving. Caliber?


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #5 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 9:30am	Print Post
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11421 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #6 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 2:33pm	Print Post
	I see normal Ballard engraving. What could he have done to the triggers? They were perfect from the factory. Nice rifles for sure! The Werndl is really nice! Joe.

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yamoon Oldtimer Online NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 852 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #7 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 8:24pm	Print Post
	This brings up a question, I have never owned a Ballard, but by all I have read it is a weak action, not nearly as strong as a 44 1/2 or HiWall, so what is the attraction? Mike


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #8 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 8:30pm	Print Post
	Best set triggers and perfect balance for offhand.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11421 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #9 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	6 1/2s came with single triggers? Is that the special order? The triggers? No, that would have been from Ballard. Okay, what is the special order feature? Joe.

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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #10 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 2:33pm: I see normal Ballard engraving. If you compare the engraving, side by side, with a "normal" Ballard, you can see that this is much cleaner, has more depth, and was done by someone with a lot more artistic talent than one usually sees in the factory work. westerner wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 2:33pm: What could he have done to the triggers? I don't know. Ballards have, IMHO, the best double-set triggers of the period. These are, by comparison, better. You really have to shoot the rifle to appreciate how fine the set is. westerner wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 2:33pm: [The triggers] were perfect from the factory. "Everything is perfect, it just needs a little improvement." - Suzuki Roshi (Do I need to add a smiley here?) - If anyone would like to see more pics, they're available at: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 690 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #11 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 9:51pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 8:59pm: 6 1/2s came with single triggers? Yes. westerner wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 8:59pm: Is that the special order? The triggers? Yes. A standard 6 1/2 came with a single trigger.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11421 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #12 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	6 1/2 Ballard engraving differed slightly in design. Quality may have been better too. I want that Werndl.......BAD! Joe.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #13 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	Is there anyone who is especially good at fine tuning Ballard DST now?

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John Rigby Full Member Offline Posts: 209 Location: Midwest Joined: Nov 8^th, 2005	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #14 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:02pm	Print Post
	I once owned a Zischang Ballard and those triggers were the finest I have ever handled, bar none.

	John Rigby
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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #15 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:15pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 10:45pm: I want that Werndl.......BAD! Joe. I can get you a Wrendl Joe. The bore is a little big for schuetzen, the stock is a bit plain and the engraving is missing, but you will have the real deal

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11421 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #16 - Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 11:54pm	Print Post
	I want the Werndl in this thread. I don't want no beat up Mexican army rifle. Joe.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #17 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:09am	Print Post
	Joe, U R good enuf to upgrade it Another long Arco winter just ahead

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bema Participating Member Offline Posts: 20 Location: Raalte Joined: Jul 26^th, 2009	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #18 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	I think the Austrian gun has a (modified) Werndl action. These actions were commonly seen in Austria and Germany.


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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 803 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: Guns at the Reno Big Show Reply #19 - Apr 11^th, 2016 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	I'm curious about the plate in the face of the breechblock of this Ballard. I've seen quite a few on center-fire guns converted to rimfire. What's the purpose on this one? Adjust head-space maybe?


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