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CajunRebel Oldtimer Offline Posts: 694 Location: Alexandria, VA Joined: Nov 18^th, 2007	1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Mar 31^st, 2016 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	Please, someone educate me, Short Range? And it's RARE? I was thinking someone stamped their initials on the tool.


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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #1 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	Schuetzen Rifle???? Regards, FITZ.

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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #2 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	CajunRebel, I was wrong. Found a Mold on Ebay. It is a short no grease groove mold. Two diameters smooth. Described as a Short Range mold, very rare seldom seen. It is a Winchester Single cavity. Marked 30 GOV S.R. Ebay # 201550226033 Interesting, have not seen one like this. HTH Regards, FITZ.

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CajunRebel Oldtimer Offline Posts: 694 Location: Alexandria, VA Joined: Nov 18^th, 2007	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #3 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 9:03pm	Print Post
	Thanks Fitz! I guess Short Range would be what, 25yds? Gallery shooting, at what ever distance that was. I loooove looking at old (vintage) single shot rifles and reloading tools.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #4 - Mar 31^st, 2016 at 10:17pm	Print Post
	How is that supposed to work without lube?

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #5 - Apr 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am	Print Post
	CajunRebel, The 32-40 Short Range cartridge, as loaded by Winchester, used a 98 grain bullet of 1 part tin and 20 parts lead. Powder charge was 13 grains black powder. Ideal short range bullet mould was #31950.

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CajunRebel Oldtimer Offline Posts: 694 Location: Alexandria, VA Joined: Nov 18^th, 2007	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #6 - Apr 1^st, 2016 at 6:22am	Print Post
	Any idea what was considered "short range"?


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #7 - Apr 1^st, 2016 at 8:44am	Print Post
	Short Range: 100 - 300 yards Mid Range: 400 - 700 Yards Long Range: 800 - 1200 Yards 40 Rod


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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #8 - Apr 1^st, 2016 at 10:22am	Print Post
	Would this have been one of the several Small Game loadings for normally heavier loaded rifle cartridges?? Grisen


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #9 - Apr 1^st, 2016 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	The Short Range cartridges as offered by Winchester were listed primarily for Hunting rifles, such as the Model 1894, 1895 and others, though you could use them in your singleshots for practice in the cellar and gallery shooting. Folks back then got off their butts and very actively used their rifles to shoot more than just paper. And they were conservative with their powder and lead. they knew you didn't want a full power load to pop a grouse, rabbit, squirrel, etc for the pot, and camp meat collected during the day and cooked over the coals of the fire meant less weight to pack in at the beginning of a hunting trip. If you read his books, you'll find out that Whelen was a target shooter and a very active hunter. A quick glance shows that Short Range loadings were offered by Winchester for the: 25-35 30WCF 32-40 38-55 30 Army (Krag) 45-70 303 Savage And the old Ideal Handbooks mentioned other short range loadings for small game/birds/pests.
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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2016 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	QUOTE BP "If you read his books, you'll find out that Whelen was a target shooter and a very active hunter." Some of us read Whelen and others because they were hunters. We created our own versions of Short Range loads for our 7X57s, 30s, etc. and used them extensively. Full power hunting loads might only have been used on a single deer each year. Our Short Range loads killed 10s of small game each season. Mostly we used cheap mantled bullets in our SR loads. Grisen


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #11 - Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 6:14pm	Print Post
	Handgun-weight bullets fired in rifles at handgun velocities - lead/tin bullets work just fine for short range. The Winchester Supplemental Chambers made of nickle plated brass for the 30WCF, 30 Army (Krag), 30 Gov't 1906, 303 Savage and 303 British were used with the lead bullet 32 S&W cartridge (not the 32 S&W Long).

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3964 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: 1894 Reloading Tool (32-40 S.R.) Short Range??? Reply #12 - Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	I have a Krag auxiliary chamber that unscrews to insert a powercharge (.32rf blank) and when reassembled gets a finger seated lead bullet. Pops pretty well, but not too accurate. Maybe new lube on the hundred-year-old pills would help. I have quite a few loads and the kit boxes. Pretty neat item that's a little different than the ones that use whole rounds.


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