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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #15 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 5:03am	Print Post
	Thank you Sir often times these are just rumors, unfortunatly in this case it is not and a huge loss to this shooting community. JLouis

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KAF Ex Member	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #16 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 7:30am	Print Post
	IF I was in the business of making cases, Why would I use production time and money on products that will not pay back my investment and make my percentage of return? If there is not a large enough market to cover making the product I would not make it. Simple I thought. 357 Max is not being produced because there is no gun manufacturer making a gun in that caliber, so why make them?


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #17 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	That may hold for Starline but for Winchester if demand exceeds supply and you are already tooled to produce the product and there is no reason to sell them at a loss, why not?


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1824 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #18 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	KAF, Seems to me T/C offers barrels in 357Max.... beltfed/arnie


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CajunRebel Oldtimer Offline Posts: 694 Location: Alexandria, VA Joined: Nov 18^th, 2007	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #19 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:42pm	Print Post
	So, for my notes... For a novice without special dies or annealing, which brass is the best to convert to .32-40, i.e., .30-30, .32 Special, or .38-55?


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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1006 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #20 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	I bought 100 rnds of loaded John Wayne 32-40 at a gun show many years ago, still have 90 rnds as I shoot my 32-40 very little. Mike


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3964 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #21 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:58pm	Print Post
	Rebel, if ya have to make 'em, .32spl is my choice. However, I have made all of those calibers into .32-40 with no problem. My preference for the Special's case is that it needs only the shoulder ironed out. A little less brass moved than the others. Just a wee bit of Unique case lube for me, others will disagree here.


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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #22 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	yamoon wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:49pm: I bought 100 rnds of loaded John Wayne 32-40 at a gun show many years ago, still have 90 rnds as I shoot my 32-40 very little. Mike I thought the John Wayne commemorative ammo was in .38-55...I haven't ever seen them in .32-40 Terry

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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1006 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #23 - Mar 25^th, 2016 at 10:56pm	Print Post
	Still has the price sticker $10.85


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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 425 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #24 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 8:14am	Print Post
	I just sized down 50 Starline 38-55 2.125 brass to 32-40 for a friend. I let him do the work after I showed him how. Annealed the cases first and then ran them thru 32-40 sizing die. Had to trim quit a bit off to get them to 2.125. Midway had them on sale for $30.49 for 50. This is the only case I know of that can be converted easily to make correct length brass. By the way I told him to anneal them again before using because brass was probably work hard.


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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #25 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 2:23pm	Print Post
	As to the question of why they don't want to produce these calibers. Back when Winchester re-introduced the SHORT! 38-55 brass I had a conversation with a Manufacturing Engineer at Winchester and he informed me that the company would not run any caliber unless they saw demand for a minimum of 3 Million rounds per year. And that when they did setup to run they would make a 5 Year supply. He also went into sticker shock when I described the error in length. The next time I called him he admitted the error and after that he was never available when I tried to contact him. So this may be the reason we cannot get this type of Brass from the major makers anymore. HTH, Regards, FITZ.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #26 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	So they made 15 million, (minimum) pieces of defective product? I wonder who took the fall for that one? (Probably nobody.....)

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #27 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	Quote: 357 Max is not being produced because there is no gun manufacturer making a gun in that caliber, so why make them? Captech is making .357 Max. Can't make it fast enough, though. Last run is already sold out. But yeah, the big companies will stick to the numbers that sell in high volume. So would I, if I had their overhead.

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3002 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #28 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:43am	Print Post
	Has anyone done business with Quality Cartridge in MD of late? I bought 8.15x46R from them a while back. It works fine.


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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Winchester Brass Gone? Reply #29 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:53am	Print Post
	I do not know if anyone took the fall for the short brass. But Winchester never admitted publicly that there was an error. They just kept selling the short Brass. The extent of the error was the Rifles came to be made for "Short" or "Long" brass. And some after market folks started Drawing brass so the correct length could be achieved. So now we have .375 Winchester, Short 38-55 2.08, and Long 38-55 2.13 or 2.12 length. Talk about big company screw ups. Regards, FITZ.

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