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breach seating depth
Mar 18th, 2016 at 1:49am
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Made a trip to the range and shot my cpa 32-40, was surprised how much difference seating depth made. using the plugged case that came with the rifle I have shot very few groups around an inch most averaging about 1.5 inches. I made an adjustable plugged case and seated the bullet 30 thou. deeper into the lands. For the first time I shot 3 5 shot groups in a row and all of them were around .75 center to center. I am using a hoch .322 200 around 13 gr. of 4759 with just a pinch of kapok. I actually took my calipers to the range so I could measure exactly the length of the plugged case. I have tried several over powder wads from nothing to cardboard, foam and so far the kapok has turned in the best results. next I think I will try some aa9 and 2015  joe g
  

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Reply #1 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:45am
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Local consensus has it that the bullet should be seated into the bore until .040 - .060 of the base is still behind the rifling.

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Reply #2 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 3:02am
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I think that is what I wound up with, but I will make a measurement maybe make a cast of the throat of my rifle. joe g
  

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Re: breach seating depth
Reply #3 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 9:17am
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The bullet should be seated into the throat until it completely seals the barrel. To see if this is true try this experiment:
Breech seat a lubed bullet to your current depth, place an already fired and primed case in the chamber. Close the action and pull the trigger. Hold your hand over the action and open it, the case should pop out with the pressure of the primer ignition. If not seat the bullet .010” deeper and repeat until you get a good seal.
Once you have a good seal you can work on your load. Every gun is different don’t assume that because 14.3 grains of 4759 worked for Bob it will work for you. Start low and work up until the groups close up.

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Reply #4 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 9:18am
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I made an adjustable plugged case and seated the bullet 30 thou. deeper into the lands.
Argie, when you made this adjustment, how far down the bullet base was the initial lands engraving with the Hoch 322-200?
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 1:44pm
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Joe do not be afraid to try seating the bullet until it completly engraves all the way through the baseband. Often times it will get you where you need to go in reducing group size depending on the individual rifle. I owned one that I struggled to get to shoot and as soon as I used this approach the lights turned on and it turned out to be my best shooting rifle. When one thinks about it that is exactly what takes place when one muzzle loads a bullet to achieve best accuracy and that is what prompted me to try it as it does go against the most typical opinions of the proper seating depth. Once one reaches that majic spot a few minor adjustments will get that first cold clean barrel shot to start forming the group.

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Reply #6 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 2:56pm
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I must admit I am looking forward to my next trip to the range. I am glad I made an adjustable plugged case now I can play with different settings and find out what works and what doesn't.  The one thing I did was to buy a nice book and I have a record of every shot I have taken with this rifle. total shot count powder charge primer and most of all the bad as well as the good. my theory is if results cant be repeated they don't mean much.
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 8:35pm
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Amen Joe long term consistency is what I look for, without it one is only fooling himself on how the rifle really shoots. I get a kick out of the fellows that luck into one good group or a 200yd. 10 Shot Target and then proudly announce to the world this how my rifle shoots! I have shot a .198 100yd. 5 shot group with my 32-40 CPA Traditional Rifle using the Flat Nose bullet and I could easly post the group for all to see and claim my rifle shoots in the 1's. When it actually will consistently shoot 5-5 shot 100yd. averages a half inch or under so it really consistently just shoots in the 5's. There are a multitude of 1/2 minute Breech Seating Schuetzen Rifles out there per the claims but over the past fifteen years of competition and the truth be told  I have personaly only seen maybe 5 and that is stretching it that can do it consistently day in and day out.

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Re: breach seating depth
Reply #8 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 11:22pm
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On sealing, my case occasionally pops back out of the chamber when I load it too fast due to compression of air.  Guess that big 32-40 case hold too much air shooting a few grains of 4227  Grin

John L, The BR guys call the 1's  .010".  .10 would be the 10's.  If you have to throw it down and pace it off, well..................... Roll Eyes
  

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