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Roscoe Participating Member Offline Posts: 24 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2016	Range book & working up loads Mar 17^th, 2016 at 9:17pm	Print Post
	I know there are many different range book offerings on the market but I would like to know what true "shooters" use. I want to make up a book for my new to me Sharps rifle. Those of you recording your information, please give me some ideas of exactly what you're recording. Thanks.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #1 - Mar 17^th, 2016 at 10:12pm	Print Post
	I am not sure of what type of shooting you are doing? In my case being a Schuetzen competitior I use the ASSRA match targets for load development and practice and to also keep my notes on. I find looking at the at the actual scores / group sizes to be more meaningful than just a book of notes. By reviewing several targets in the order shot compiled over several years of year round testing containing all the data for each individual outing. One can then see a pattern of consistency or the lack of developing that simple notes just won't provide that can become somewhat deceiving or miss-leading over the long run. JLouis

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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 435 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #2 - Mar 17^th, 2016 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	Same here. I number my targets before shooting, then keep notes by target number while adjusting loads at the range . I can then either cross-reference from the data sheet or write the promising loads on their respective target. I print off two targets per sheet of paper and post 5 at a time on the backer - gives me 10 targets.

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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1188 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #3 - Mar 17^th, 2016 at 11:51pm	Print Post
	Fifty years of research have taught me that if you don't write down the results, you may as well not have done the experiment. Record the purpose of the test, and how you intend to generate the data. Write down all the conditions and record the results. Then try to to come to a conclusion. Learn to do some elementary statistics, as this will help you to design the tests and understand the significance of the results. Saves a lot of work in the long run. CHRIS RGChristensen


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #4 - Mar 18^th, 2016 at 9:24am	Print Post
	When I am working up a load I record: Powder Charge Primer Seating Depth Bullet Bullet temper Wind Temperature If I was shooting black powder I would add Humidity 40 Rod


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3959 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #5 - Mar 18^th, 2016 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	40rod has a good list there. Add lube , though. My books are for my use, and would take some instruction for another to glean much info from. Even includes swear words. I even try to include my impressions of shooting concentration- sometimes things degenerate into a plinking session. But, the thing is, it's consistent and serves me after a fashion. If you start using 'em just be willing to add new things when you discover the need. Soon enough you'll have a system that gets you there. The suggestion from Chris to write it down is the all-important one.


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Roscoe Participating Member Offline Posts: 24 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2016	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #6 - Mar 18^th, 2016 at 5:55pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Mar 18^th, 2016 at 9:24am: When I am working up a load I record: Powder Charge Primer Seating Depth Bullet Bullet temper Wind Temperature If I was shooting black powder I would add Humidity 40 Rod What is bullet temper?


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Roscoe Participating Member Offline Posts: 24 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2016	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #7 - Mar 18^th, 2016 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	This is some good information. I think I'll also a few spaces for chrono information. If I put all this in Excel, I can also add photo of the target.


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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 712 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #8 - Mar 18^th, 2016 at 6:31pm	Print Post
	Roscoe, The word temper refers to the cast bullet alloy say one part tin to twenty parts lead. Or in some cases the shooter after a bad day at the range!!


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #9 - Mar 18^th, 2016 at 11:10pm	Print Post
	Overall cartridge length and seating depth and compression is fixed.

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desert-dude Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 439 Location: Selah Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2013	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #10 - Mar 20^th, 2016 at 10:41am	Print Post
	Slightly OT but: when one looks at the list of conditions/variables to record it is little wonder that the std dev of velocity doesn't seem to make a difference. All of the variables have a random variation however small. To pull a small signal out of the noise is very difficult.


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1119 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #11 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 2:24am	Print Post
	Our own RSW on this forum has made up a range record book. It's in the book section under the ASSRA Home: Shooter's Record Book, PB, Randy Wright - $12.00 Regards, Joe


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Roscoe Participating Member Offline Posts: 24 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2016	Re: Range book & working up loads Reply #12 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 8:01pm	Print Post
	Thanks for post that page. This is what I had in mind. I'll see how Excel works out making something like this up. Since my laptop is there whenever I go to the range for chrono, camera, etc, I can add notes in as well.


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