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Mick B Oldtimer Offline Posts: 998 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	.40 cal mould advice Mar 6^th, 2016 at 9:51pm	Print Post
	Looking for a .408" dia money bullet mould maker That could duplicate the Paul Jones 410gr money bullet mould. BACO list a number of moulds but they are .409". As the bullet will be breech seated a tapered bullet is preferred. Any drawings would be appreciated that could be sent to a mould maker for replication. Mike.


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1746 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #1 - Mar 6^th, 2016 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	First, a question: What kind of shooting? Noting you are looking at breechseating, is this for Schuetzen? Midrange? What Ctg, twist, Freebore? leade angle? beltfed/arnie


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Mick B Oldtimer Offline Posts: 998 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #2 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 4:52am	Print Post
	Beltfed. The rifle is a CPA Stevens in 40/60 Maynard, the barrel is a Kreiger 16-1 twist, I will be using black powder only. I have a BACO Money bullet that I'm currently using but it is .409" and shoots better if I run it through the .408 sizer. The bullet weighs 401 gr lubed, and is 1.400" long, the first couple of driving bands are reduced for breech seating. This rifle is used solely for target shooting at 100 and 200 meters off the bench.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #3 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 8:16am	Print Post
	Mick - have at least three 40cal DanT designs everyone is welcome to, but am traveling and the drawings are on another computer. I've posted them here twice, but for some reason the mod(s) seem to not like them and have removed both times I've posted. Not sure why. Send me your e-mail address after the 20th and I'll send them along when I get home. Steve Brooks will make a custom mould. Assume that NOE will, as well. Same with Sagebrush. BTW - I shoot nothing but 0.409" bullets in my 0.408" barrel and zero problems.
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Mick B Oldtimer Offline Posts: 998 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #4 - Mar 7^th, 2016 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	SSS Shooter Thanks for the offer, I will post my email address after the 20th. Perhaps the reason my sized down bullet shot a little Better than when it was .409" was because then there was no neck tension. At .409" neck tension was inconsistent. I was given a few money bullets from a friend that came from a Paul Jones mould, these were .408" as cast and weighed 410 gr, the extra 10 gr seemed to be in the nose section. These bullets shot a little better than my BACO money bullets, hence my post. Anyway, you can never have too many moulds can you. Mike.


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bruce moulds Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 290 Location: the antipodes Joined: Mar 14^th, 2015	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #5 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 5:04am	Print Post
	baco make a couple of smooth bullets of 0.396 diameter. with seth cole 55w tracing paper they wet patch up to 0.401. these breech seat in a 0.400 bore with a bit of friction, and when the correct airgap is found shoot well. 0.395 seems to work better than fixed ammo. keep safe, bruce.

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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1746 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #6 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:11am	Print Post
	How about this Elliptical PP bullet I designed for stability in a 16 twist 40-65 out to 1K? 75 gr Swiss 1.5 gave 1403 fps over my Oehler and resulted in the attached group at 100yds from my HI Wall. Also sub minute at 200yds. beltfed/arnie


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1746 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #7 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:12am	Print Post
	Oh, the mold was cut beautifully by Distant Thunder/Jim Kluskens beltfed/arnie


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2256 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #8 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:21am	Print Post
	Arnie, does Jim cut molds as part of his regular business now? What is the nose length to shank length ratio on that bullet? I shoot a couple of Brooks ellipticals in .32 and .38. The .38 shoots very well breech seated but I think I should have gone with a longer shank on the .32. Mine are 50% nose, 50% shank. Thanks, Chris.


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1746 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #9 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 9:42am	Print Post
	Chris, No, Jim is not in the mold business (yet?). This work for 16 twist Elliptical PP bullet is at this time experimental for Jim, me and another person. It is 1.325" long, about 50/50 Ellipt ogive and body. Wt in 9+1 ww/lino is 373 gr. He had previously cut one at 440 gr, 1.54" long for my 12 twist 40-72W that is looking good, too. beltfed/arnie


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2256 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #10 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 10:13am	Print Post
	Thanks Arnie. Chris.


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bruce moulds Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 290 Location: the antipodes Joined: Mar 14^th, 2015	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #11 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 3:56pm	Print Post
	well arnie, do I see a larger diameter base on that fine bullet? if so, you have nailed the method of shooting bore diameter pp bullets in a greaser chamber. keep safe, bruce.

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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1746 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #12 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	Bruce, YOu are very observant... Same "broad" profile as a GG to fit the freebore. Both bore and freebore/groove riding. I have noted that you, also are working with double diameter PP bullets.


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bruce moulds Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 290 Location: the antipodes Joined: Mar 14^th, 2015	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #13 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	yes arnie, and it has proven successful. patching to the internal diameter of fired cases for the base, and freebore if you have any, and bore diameter for the rest of the bullet just plain works. I thought I was preaching to the unconverted, but there now seem to be more people out there who have also gone down this path. it is a good way to not have to work your brass with sizing dies. however, for breech seating, a bullet that patches to bore + 0.001 is easier to use. keep safe, bruce.

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2256 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: .40 cal mould advice Reply #14 - Mar 9^th, 2016 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	And I am unobservant . I assumed that you were breech seating them, but should have noticed the picture of one of the bullets seated in the brass. All of my .38 and .32 paper patching has been with breech seated bullets. Chris.


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