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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	High Wall 22 LR? Feb 28^th, 2016 at 10:28am	Print Post
	So it's back to the drawing board with building a 22 LR Bench Rest Rifle. I see that MVA and C.Sharps produce High Wall actions. Would either of these be a good foundation to build this type of rifle off of? Or does a Low Wall action loan itself better to 22 LR? I really value the experience and input offered around here. Thanks, Scott

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7249 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #1 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 10:57am	Print Post
	I would go with the LW. I built a 32/20 on a HW for my wife and a 33 on the 357 Max case for my Borchardt. It takes getting used to them, to load. into the chamber, w/o spilling powder. There would be no powder to spill with the 22lr but, your fingers will be in the way finding the chamber. You can cut the side out of the receiver, like Pope and some others did but, I couldn't bring myself to ever do that. Frank

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2693 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #2 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 11:56am	Print Post
	I second Frank's opinion. I have a .22 High Wall that shoots great, but with a scope it can be a pain to chamber a round. Sometimes I have to raise the breech block to the right height with the round on it so I can push it in. Jack

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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #3 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 12:22pm	Print Post
	I've had a few low walls and high walls in 22. Some scoped, some with iron sights. Loading a low wall in 22 is easy. High wall is a little fussy/fiddly but not really a problem. A high wall with a scope is a very fumbling and fiddling affair.


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Zack T Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #4 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	The cost of a low wall from C Sharps is the same as the highwall. Personally I just bought a CPA for the purpose


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Ciao998 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Kennewick, WA Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #5 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 3:33pm	Print Post
	My wife shoots a 22lr high wall equipped with an ejector. Works great and shoots great. If I were going to build a traditional action into a 22 lr, I would use a Ballard, 44, or 44 1/2. A cast balled or 44 can be had pretty economically, I'd save the high wall for a more expensive center fire build. John


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2693 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #6 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 4:54pm	Print Post
	I agree John, A nice Ballard in .22 would be great. I bought my .22 Stevens 44 from Chuck Boardman and it shoots well. The only issue is that empty cases can fall into the action. My .22 High Wall is my backup rifle. It was the best deal I ever found at Cabalas no less. Set trigger action, no-name barrel with 8x Unertl Small Game scope for $700!. I figured it would be an action for project rifle, but it shoots too well as is. I had to use it in Spokane last year when I broke the firing pin in the Stevens. Jack

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #7 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:02pm	Print Post
	Luv my Ballards HiWall in 25 Hornet is a bit of a pain to load, but I have beefy fingers

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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 803 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #8 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:24pm	Print Post
	Go with a Ballard.


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CajunRebel Oldtimer Offline Posts: 691 Location: Alexandria, VA Joined: Nov 18^th, 2007	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #9 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	I have C.Sharps rifles in LW 22LR and HW 22Hornet. Both have bases for the MVA 5B scope, which I move back and forth. The LW definitely is easier to feed the small 22LR case. The LW has a typical CF extractor that necessitates raising the breech block or else the round will easily go behind the extractor. I have seen photos of M1885s with the extractor shaped like a half-moon, 3-9 o'clock, bottom half. That would possibly make loading rounds easier.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16039 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #10 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	Loading my High Wall in .22LR wasn't a big problem. Unloading was the bigger problem! I kept a pair or 90 degree needlenose pliers in my shooting box, so when I opened the action I could grab the empty to pull it clear. Without the pliers it could be frustrating.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1668 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #11 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	Wind, I built this rifle on a .22LR #1 Winder musket about 8 or 9 years ago. It's not set up as a bench rifle because I use it for .22 silhouette and offhand practice. It will give you a good idea what can be done with the highwall. I have about $900 in the action and $620 in the old Ballard Co. parts. Not cheap so I see the MVA action as a very good choice if you want to go with the Helm set triggers. Bob


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #12 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	Thank you for all of the input guys I'm still kicking around ideas. I know I want to go the route of an 1885, Ballard or perhaps a Walnut Hill. I know that I do not want to go the CPA route. I have emailed C. Sharps regarding them building a benchrest rifle. So I await their reply. Time to go clean my Miroku Low Wall Scott

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.22-5-40 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 794 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2010	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #13 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:16pm	Print Post
	I've never had a problem with cases when unloading my original #4 barreled High Wall...it has the kicking extractor/ejector. But if your serious about accuracy, a Ballard or Stevens with the ability to cam a ctg. for positive lockup is hard to beat.


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #14 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 9:05am	Print Post
	Or you can do what the old masters did. Cut down the right side to make it easier to load a .22 in the high wall. Pope , Schoyen Peterson and Elliott all did it and I don't think you will find a better group of gunsmiths anywhere. 40 Rod


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