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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2827 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #15 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 1:46am	Print Post
	This is a bench rest rifle, right? Don't know about modern production, but the original walls had firing pins that hit the rim smack in the middle of the spring-loaded extractor & ejector. That is a potential source of inaccuracy if you are a benchrest shooter. Also, the old-timers knew that Ballards had faster lock time, plus a stock attached with a through-bolt. I still have 3 Winders; I dearly love two of them. But when I dream about benchrest 250s, a couple of Ballards find their way to the pickup.


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4006 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #16 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 1:46am: This is a bench rest rifle, right? Don't know about modern production, but the original walls had firing pins that hit the rim smack in the middle of the spring-loaded extractor & ejector. That is a potential source of inaccuracy if you are a benchrest shooter. Also, the old-timers knew that Ballards had faster lock time, plus a stock attached with a through-bolt. I still have 3 Winders; I dearly love two of them. But when I dream about benchrest 250s, a couple of Ballards find their way to the pickup. I was just going to say the same thing... while the first custom 'wall I owned was a 22 LR copy of the special sporter built on a 3rd Model Winder action, my Ballard 22 is my go-to rifle in this caliber. The rimfire extractor design for the 'walls is great for getting out recalcitrant fired cases, but does nothing for accuracy. There were a couple of discussions on this board about 10 or more years ago between FITZ, the late Treeblood, myself and others about this very phenomenon and what, if anything could be done about it. Nobody really seems to have solved the problem. The basic design leads to inconsistent ignition due to movement of the extractor under the rim... and without radical redesign this can't be changed. Froggie


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2257 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #17 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:37pm	Print Post
	That is interesting. I did not know that about the .22 Winchesters. What sort of accuracy could be expected at 100m from a well built low wall in .22LR? I shoot .22LR in a highwall, but with a Crossno liner in a CF action. I am quite impressed with the accuracy as I have been able to put ten shots into a minute of angle in calm conditions from a rest. This requires expensive ammunition of course. Would this sort of accuracy be a reasonable expectation from a well built rimfire 1885? Thanks, Chris.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #18 - Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 9:54pm	Print Post
	gunlaker wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2016 at 4:37pm: That is interesting. I did not know that about the .22 Winchesters. What sort of accuracy could be expected at 100m from a well built low wall in .22LR? I shoot .22LR in a highwall, but with a Crossno liner in a CF action. I am quite impressed with the accuracy as I have been able to put ten shots into a minute of angle in calm conditions from a rest. This requires expensive ammunition of course. Would this sort of accuracy be a reasonable expectation from a well built rimfire 1885? Thanks, Chris. Chris, Precisely determining the effects of the subtle variations are very difficult. How much does the big heavy hammer on the side of a Sharps affect it, or the varying lockup of a rolling block, or disturbing the set up of a Maynard to reload shooting on the bench?

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #19 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 7:41am	Print Post
	watchthewind wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:10pm: Thank you for all of the input guys I'm still kicking around ideas. I know I want to go the route of an 1885.......... I have emailed C. Sharps regarding them building a benchrest rifle. So I await their reply. Scott Excellent choice. Assume you are aware that you can purchase just the complete coil-spring action with SST from CSA or the complete flat-spring action with SST or DST from MVA. If were my money for a benchrest rifle, would go with the complete action and send to DZ Arms in OKC to have it barreled and their extractor installed. It is considerably more positive (like the Ballard's extractor) than the original 1885 extractor and removes any of the "possible" accuracy problems with an original extractor. DZ Arms also does excellent wood-work. Another advantage of going the action/DZ Arms route is that they will use any barrel you might choose. They put a Shilen 'rachet rifled' barrel on the .22LR they built for me and it is a tack-driver.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1671 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #20 - Mar 3^rd, 2016 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	or you could just purchase a Martini in .22, and have an even faster locktime and a proven action, easy to load. For BR, one of the International models would do well. You'd probably be able to rebarrel and restock a rifle for the price of a hiwall action (a bit more, actually)... And probably get a more accurate rifle too with a way faster locktime and an extractor that's almost able to put the cases into orbit .


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #21 - Mar 5^th, 2016 at 6:44pm	Print Post
	Well I ended up pulling the trigger on this (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #22 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 10:34am	Print Post
	Well every Martini needs a glass so I picked this up (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) We have our first outing today!

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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #23 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:04am	Print Post
	Let us know how it shoots. I imagine it is a tackdriver.


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Bill40718 Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Location: Arizona Joined: Aug 5^th, 2015	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #24 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	Looks great Scott. I can't wait to see it in person.


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watchthewind Oldtimer Offline Posts: 936 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Mar 10^th, 2015	Re: High Wall 22 LR? Reply #25 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	Well today's first outing went well. I'm looking forward to more sessions at the range

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