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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2310 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	.33-47 Bullet Feb 27^th, 2016 at 1:18pm	Print Post
	Getting lazy and going to buy a bullet mold. Need suggestions for a .33-47 breech seated bullet mold. Mostly 200yard shooting Barrel: RKS, .330" x .338" bore and groove diameter, 28 x 14.6 Twist. Reamer: PT&G with a .339" X .080" throat, 1.5° leade. Current leader of the pack is the SAECO 215 grain Hudson with a .339 " base. Seems slightly light and more meplat than I like. Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated. Chuck


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7647 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #1 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 2:36pm	Print Post
	Chuck, I have a few options for you. The first one is a shorten Ron Long type mold and it would be my recommendation for your 14.6 twist. I shorten it .020 for your twist rate. The next mold is the RL that was shot on a M43 Balistics Lab and even though it has a estimated BC of .395 produced a real BC of .43, it has a proven accuracy history in my 33 and it's owners 33 Hepburn. Next is the mold it's based on and then the mold that I've shot for the last 3 years (don't know who made it, I got it from the Jake Simmon estate) and done very well with and the last mold is one that I recently got, it's a Bo Clerke mold, that I will start shooting this year. I have high hopes for it. There is also this one that I designed and that you can buy right now: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I shot it in one five shot, CBA 100 yd group match, results pictured. Frank
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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #2 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:28pm	Print Post
	I shoot a .33 bullet very similar looking to the one next to the sectioned barrel....245 gr. Terry

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #3 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:48pm	Print Post
	Chuckster don't get caught up in the BC race it is not all that some would make it appear. Shovel80/ Terry Harper is shooting a flat nose bullet simular to the one he pointed out. His first practice outing with us and a brand new rifle to him shot a 250 and followed it up in the match the next day with another 250 and he has a few more to his credit. I personaly have found the flat nose bullet to be less wind sensitive as well as more forgiving. There is an individual here that will argue this point until the day he days but his match results do not substantiate any of his claims for fast twists, speed and high BC pointed bullets. I don't post here anymore but I thought it important to share Terry's success as well as mine before you spend the money for a new mould. I might also add that Terry's bullet is cylindrical as well are the ones I have had the most success with. If you have any questions I am sure Terry would be more than happy to address then for you or you can e-mail me at johnlouis123@att.net and I would be more than happy to share my 15 years of very succesful competitve shooting experiences and serious experimentation as I won't be coming back here to challenge what I am sure will be coming after this post. JLouis

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #4 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	I might add that Terry is shooting a Traditional Model CPA Rifle and at the time Terry was a new shooter to the sport using a new rifle and was starting out from scratch. Since that point time Terry has been finishing in the top three on a pretty regular basis for well over a year now. His success as a new shooter is a living testimony to the supreme accuracy of the 33-47, Douglas barrels and the flat nose cylindrical bullets. All three are considered to be inferior and obsolete for these times by some on this site. Apparently Terry's rifle and competitive success doesen't seem to agree with some of those claims. For a new shooter to accomplish what Terry has since the day he first recieved his new rifle is pretty much unheard of in the sport of Schuetzen and even more so with our extremely competitive group of shooters. He very easily achieved success right out of the gate lacking the frustrations that most new shooters go through as well as some with years of experiance by choosing an extremely accurate and user friendly cartridge and bullet combination that has stood the test of time.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7647 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #5 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	Welcome back, John. We missed you So, I guess that you would say that Paul Jones, Ron Long and Bo Clerke, as well as the people that shoot their bullets, didn't know what they were doing? There is a lot more to accuracy than just the shape of the bullet's nose and after all the testing that you saw, I guess that external ballistics, doen't mean anything? Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #6 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 4:24pm	Print Post
	Frank I will let the facts speak for them self as they do not lie nor do they provide false information or false hope. It is simply a proven and truthful fact that cannot be disclaimed, argued over or changed by one's ultimate wisdom and I will leave at that. JLouis
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12328 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #7 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:48pm: Chuckster don't get caught up in the BC race it is not all that some would make it appear. Shovel80/ Terry Harper is shooting a flat nose bullet simular to the one he pointed out. His first practice outing with us and a brand new rifle to him shot a 250 and followed it up in the match the next day with another 250 and he has a few more to his credit. I personaly have found the flat nose bullet to be less wind sensitive as well as more forgiving. There is an individual here that will argue this point until the day he days but his match results do not substantiate any of his claims for fast twists, speed and high BC pointed bullets. I don't post here anymore but I thought it important to share Terry's success as well as mine before you spend the money for a new mould. I might also add that Terry's bullet is cylindrical as well are the ones I have had the most success with. If you have any questions I am sure Terry would be more than happy to address then for you or you can e-mail me at johnlouis123@att.net and I would be more than happy to share my 15 years of very succesful competitve shooting experiences and serious experimentation as I won't be coming back here to challenge what I am sure will be coming after this post. JLouis

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12328 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #8 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 2:32pm: I might add that Terry is shooting a Traditional Model CPA Rifle and at the time Terry was a new shooter to the sport using a new rifle and was starting out from scratch. Since that point time Terry has been finishing in the top three on a pretty regular basis for well over a year now. His success as a new shooter is a living testimony to the supreme accuracy of the 33-47, Douglas barrels and the flat nose cylindrical bullets. All three are considered to be inferior and obsolete for these times by some on this site. Apparently Terry's rifle and competitive success doesen't seem to agree with some of those claims. For a new shooter to accomplish what Terry has since the day he first recieved his new rifle is pretty much unheard of in the sport of Schuetzen and even more so with our extremely competitive group of shooters. He very easily achieved success right out of the gate lacking the frustrations that most new shooters go through as well as some with years of experiance by choosing an extremely accurate and user friendly cartridge and bullet combination that has stood the test of time.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12328 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #9 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 4:24pm: Frank I will let the facts speak for them self as they do not lie nor do they provide false information or false hope. It is simply a proven and truthful fact that cannot be disclaimed, argued over or changed by one's ultimate wisdom and I will leave at that. JLouis

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7647 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #10 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 4:24pm: Frank I will let the facts speak for them self as they do not lie nor do they provide false information or false hope. It is simply a proven and truthful fact that cannot be disclaimed, argued over or changed by one's ultimate wisdom and I will leave at that. JLouis One quick question, John. What is the nose shape on the most successful 250 scorer at Modesto? Frank

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12328 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #11 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:22pm	Print Post
	Frank, he doesn't post here anymore, remember? Joe.

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Ciao998 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Kennewick, WA Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #12 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	wow, speechless...... John


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #13 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:55pm	Print Post
	Quote: Welcome back, John. We missed you Add one more ... Happy that your back!


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2310 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: .33-47 Bullet Reply #14 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 10:26pm	Print Post
	Thanks to all of you for the comments and suggestions. Sounds like some very strong opinions. John, appreciate the comments based on experience. Where did Jerry"s bullets go? Liked that round nose one. Both Jerry and Terry have done some amazing shooting recently. Think it has as much to do with skill as the bullets, but will try to contact them. Think I will start with the NOE bullet Frank suggested. Cheap enough to give a try. If it shows promise, will see about a custom mold. Always partial to a Pope type nose, but have not shot many scores that would be competitive either. Thanks again to all of you. Now to get the rifle finished, about 80% done. Chuck
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