Got out to the range today to try these bullets in my Greifelt Kettner (Schmidt Haberman - whatever) rifle (running boar target or light hunting) in 8.15x46R. Range was busy and I had to shoot at 50 yards instead of the 100 I had planned. Increasing loads of H108 were giving tighter groups and then I shot the 10.5 grain ones giving this. Considering my old eyes and open barrel sights (V and bead) I think it may do OK around this one for further testing. I also shot some of these bullets in my 71 Mauser with Aydt barrel and they were closing up also but was trying lighter loads in it and need to up them. The bullets were lubed by dipping in liquid alox and finger seated (snug fit) in the case up to the stop ring. By the way, the Kettner loads were in DWM brass using old Norma Berdan primers.