Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 Send TopicPrint
Normal Topic Remington Hepburn trigger question (Read 6215 times)
Bulseyetom
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 983
Location: Santa Maria, Ca
Joined: Oct 31st, 2010
Remington Hepburn trigger question
Feb 19th, 2016 at 10:48pm
Print Post  
I was looking at the thread about everybody's favorite single shot and found it interesting to see that the Hepburn was designed for long range target shooting.  My only experience with Remington single shot rifles is the smokeless rolling block and the triggers are obviously not match quality the way they left the factory. What is the normal Hepburn trigger like?  Are they adjustable or easily modified to get a light crisp pull?  My current roller has a 3# pull but it feels like 7#.  I like shooting it off the bench as there is no lever that when opening the action disturbs the rifle in the bags.  How does the cramming action of the side lever compare to a high wall?  Thanks for your insight on a rare or at least rare to me rifle.  Tom
  
Back to top
Twitter  
IP Logged
 
Schuetzenmiester
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 6707
Location: Cool Wet Side of WA
Joined: Apr 27th, 2008
Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2016 at 11:41pm
Print Post  
The Hepburn was designed for LR shooting when 3# triggers, 10# rifles and no artificial support were the rule of the day. I have never owned one, but having handled them, the stock is horrible for offhand shooting.  Having shot back rest positing unsupported out to 1,000 yards, as soon as I saw my first one, I could see what LL had in mind when he designed that rifle.  Lay with one; the fit is undeniable  Grin 

Edit:  The way LR is currently shot, all of LL's attributes are of no consequence.
« Last Edit: Feb 20th, 2016 at 12:00am by Schuetzenmiester »  

"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
SSShooter
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2937
Location: Southern NJ
Joined: Aug 1st, 2010
Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2016 at 6:17am
Print Post  
Yes, the single trigger can be worked down to a crisp & reliable <2# pull by a good gunsmith. The 'standard' crescent buttplate stock on the originals is considered by many, including me, as uncomfortable to shoot in the heavier calibers. However, the rifles were offered with other styles of stocks and they were as comfortable as their competitors. Three of mine have shotgun buttplate stocks with raised cheek-piece and are very comfortable. The other is 'yet to be determined', but being a 32-40 I can feel a Schuetzen buttplate in its future.

The Hepburn is very handy for prone shooting with the side lever and I find it fits 'just right' for same. However, like the Sharps action, there is essentially zero camming action with a Hepburn as the block goes straight up & down. The block does have a small bevel centered at the top that provides just a bit of help, but not a great deal. Also, the short lever does not give one a great deal of leverage. I carry & use an Arizona Sharpshooters 'cartridge loading tool' (which he also offers for the Sharps & High Wall) when shooting long-range in order to chamber a 426gr/66gr 40-65 load. Have found that I am able to 'thumb-seat' cartridges about 1/16" into the rifling with 20-1 lead and reduced-band bullets (Money style) and they are just as accurate as loads that require the tool, except for the long-range loads (800, 900, 1000yd). 

Check out some of the pictures of Hepburns in the Rifle Photo forum here. The Creedmoor model will give you a good idea of what the originals were like. I'll have the honor of shooting it next weekend, though the 44-100 chambering full-load gives me pause.  Huh
  

Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
Back to top
GTalk  
IP Logged
 
win 32-40
Ex Member


Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2016 at 12:52pm
Print Post  
I have an original Hepburn #3 Match B with double set trigger. It is currently set at about 3 OZ or about the same as a modern B/R rifle that is amazingly good. 
   The only issues I have with the nice old gun are the no camming action as mentioned , and the need to Thumb back the heavy hammer as a separate operation
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
SSShooter
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2937
Location: Southern NJ
Joined: Aug 1st, 2010
Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2016 at 6:57am
Print Post  
That is very light on your DSTs. I've got four DST rifles (3 original & 1 DZ Arms repro) and shoot with someone who has a CSA repro and none of our set triggers will go reliably below ~1#, which is about where we've found them to set reliably. Have you done any work in particular on yours to get it to work down at 3oz?

No question about the hammer. But, as I only shoot a Hepburn these days, I don't even notice about cocking the hammer. Just part of the routine, as it would be on a CPA Stevens or a Sharps or most any other of our single-shot rifles other than a 1885 or a modified Ballard.
  

Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
Back to top
GTalk  
IP Logged
 
win 32-40
Ex Member


Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2016 at 11:41am
Print Post  
I wouldnt complain about pulling the Hammer back , but having MS it is difficult for me, even using both thumbs
  I didnt do anything to my Hepburn DST. I will put the trigger scale on it and see next time I get it out. Coincidentally all set triggers I have got in any gun are always right at the lightest and I never do anything as long as they will safely hold and not fire with heavy action closing etc.(  I am used to 2 oz B/R triggers and only shoot from the bench )
   I have a Win (1908 ) Hi Wall Schuetzen DST that is even lighter and I am currently having problems with getting it to set. I have been soaking the seized adjustment screw with Kroil and have budged it a bit anti-clockwise , but still extremely tight and am scared of breaking it off. ( now setting about half the time)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
.22Hepburn
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 835
Location: Pennsylvania
Joined: Feb 18th, 2008
Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #6 - Feb 23rd, 2016 at 6:29pm
Print Post  
"The Hepburn was designed for LR shooting when 3# triggers, 10# rifles and no artificial support were the rule of the day. I have never owned one, but having handled them, the stock is horrible for offhand shooting.  Having shot back rest positing unsupported out to 1,000 yards, as soon as I saw my first one, I could see what LL had in mind when he designed that rifle.  Lay with one; the fit is undeniable  Grin 

Edit:  The way LR is currently shot, all of LL's attributes are of no consequence"

No the Hepburns were not designed for Long Range Shooting. The standard A Grade Sporting models were designed for off-hand shooting out to 200yds, that's why there's so much drop in the stock. There are also B Match rifles with Schuetzen butt-plates. The Long Range, or Creedmoor rifles, have a different stock configuration, no cheek piece, high comb, and shot-gun butt-plate.
  
Back to top
IP Logged
 
Schuetzenmiester
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 6707
Location: Cool Wet Side of WA
Joined: Apr 27th, 2008
Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 2:29am
Print Post  
.22Hepburn wrote on Feb 23rd, 2016 at 6:29pm:
The Long Range, or Creedmoor rifles, have a different stock configuration, no cheek piece, high comb, and shot-gun butt-plate.


Do you have a source of a picture of one?
  

"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
SSShooter
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2937
Location: Southern NJ
Joined: Aug 1st, 2010
Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #8 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:14am
Print Post  
There is very nice Creedmoor model chambered in 44-100 posted in the Photo's thread. 

Believe the Remington #3 "Hepburn" was designed specifically as a long-range Creedmoor rifle and competed successfully in several of the earliest matches. Not only was LL Hepburn the designer, he was a member of the U.S. Creedmoor team and a fine shot. The other iterations (mid-range, Schuetzen, etc.) are later derivations of what started life as a long-range target rifle.
  

Glenn - Stevens 044 1/2, Bartlein SS 5R barrel in 22LR
Back to top
GTalk  
IP Logged
 
Schuetzenmiester
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 6707
Location: Cool Wet Side of WA
Joined: Apr 27th, 2008
Re: Remington Hepburn trigger question
Reply #9 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 2:03pm
Print Post  
I don't remember where I read (or heard) he designed that actin specifically with LR in mind.  One of those things one would probably have to do to appreciate.
  

"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send TopicPrint