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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	C & R (Curio & Relic) Feb 15^th, 2016 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	I know the answer, but I would like to know what you guys think about how a weapon qualifies or doesn't qualify as a Curio & Relic. The usual answer from a seller is "I need an FFL to transfer" quoting it has to be made before 1889 or 1898 Which tells me most of these guys don't have a clue. They run an auction as a Curio & Relic and then ask for a FFL to transfer??? Don G
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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2668 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #1 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	Since the C&R IS a FFL, they should accept it. It has its limitations. but it still says it is a Federal Firearms License! Jack

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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1017 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #2 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	The ATF publishes a very large list of qualifying firearms. If I recall correctly, any firearm over 50 years old also qualifies as a C&R.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #3 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 5:59pm	Print Post
	Is there a requirement that it must also be in an unmodified /unaltered condition?

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11421 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #4 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	Anyone that calls all firearms weapons should be kicked in the nuts or equivalent. The fuzz too. Joe.

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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #5 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 6:03pm	Print Post
	No qualifications for modified or custom. They care about the date of manufacturer. Here are the rules: To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories: Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms; Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Items in bold taken directly from the ATF website. Basically the Relic part of C&R is 50+ years old and the curio is anything that the ATF defines as special/unique/rare.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #6 - Feb 15^th, 2016 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 6:02pm: Anyone that calls all firearms weapons should be kicked in the nuts or equivalent. The fuzz too. Joe. "This is my weapon and this is my gun..." With all the sex-ed courses taught in school (instead of the 3 R's), you'd think that...

	There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Proud Noodlehead
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EricJ Junior Member Offline Posts: 64 Location: Nebraska Joined: Jul 14^th, 2012	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #7 - Feb 16^th, 2016 at 11:40pm	Print Post
	I've had an FFL dealer send me a rifle on my C&R FFL and he was not happy, his reasoning was that "I can't go online and check the database like I can on an FFL01". I thought well who's to say your 01 is any more legit than my 03. Some people won't do it, but the majority of the good ones will. I also received a big book on what qualified and I was surprised at a few of them.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #8 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:09am	Print Post
	I've bought a Ballard and a Borchardt barrelled action from dealers who had entered them in their bound book "just to be on the safe side". Fear is the driving factor.

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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 415 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #9 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:11am	Print Post
	Normally, any firearm that can be shown to have been manufactured 50 years prior to the current year is eligible. There are wierd exceptions, such as Type 53 Mosin carbines, for which there is NO exception, while they are identical to Model 44 Mosin carbines, either of which will be in excess of 50 years. The Pre-98 cutoff is for antiques, not C&R. I've had some dealers refuse my 03 FFL, but darned few. All in all, the most expensive $30 per 3 year licensing period I've ever spent - gladly!

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gewehrfreund Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 435 Location: Cortland Joined: Jan 24^th, 2005	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #10 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 8:24am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Feb 15^th, 2016 at 6:02pm: Anyone that calls all firearms weapons should be kicked in the nuts or equivalent. The fuzz too. Joe.


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #11 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 12:50pm	Print Post
	westerner What's your problem with the term "Weapon"? Don G


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Rebel Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4292 Location: Rockets and Race Cars Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #12 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	Hi Smoke, FWIW, a piece of pipe could be a weapon, or a hammer, bow and arrow, spear, etc. The NRA cautions it's instructors to use the term "firearm", perhaps it seems less menacing. You might say every firearm is a weapon but not every weapon is a firearm, but that would imply the firearm is used in that manner and not as a piece of sporting equipment. A baseball could be a weapon if thrown at you with bad intent, but it's generally not seen that way. Aaron

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gewehrfreund Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 435 Location: Cortland Joined: Jan 24^th, 2005	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #13 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	Yep. None of my many firearms are weapons, though years ago, I had a few military rifles that at one time probably qualified.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11421 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: C & R (Curio & Relic) Reply #14 - Feb 17^th, 2016 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Thank you Reb for being so eloquent. I have nothing against the word. A foot makes a good weapon also, when attached to the right leg. Joe.
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