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Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:19am
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What is the difference between a taper crimp and a profile crimp, and which, if either, is better for schuetzen or standard single-shot loads? I've always used a taper crimp on everything from 38-55 to 45-70 and I'd like to improve the process by crimping with separate crimping dies after seating the bullet. Undecided
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:22am
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I don't crimp cases for my single shots. I only run them in enough to remove the slight bell I put in the mouth for loading bullets. I've crimped them for lever actions with tube magazines, but not singles.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 10:48am
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Vall's answer is just what I'd have said.

I'll add when I am crimping, I use the same die to seat in one step with the die turned out so the case mouth doesn't reach the crimp, then back the seating stem off and turn the die in to crimp in a second step.

If you want to tighten the ring on your crimper to keep a consistent crimp, you can use one of the RCBS washers for switching between 38/357 to hold your set die high enough when turned in against the washer that it doesn't crimp, then back the seating stem off and remove the washer from under the die ring.

I always seat and crimp in two steps unless I've got a very generous crimp groove on the bullet.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:18am
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Some of us do Not remove the slight bell, as it helps to keep the case centered in the chamber mouth and also reduces possible blowby 
Of course, if necessary, we remove just enough of the bell so the (mouth of the) case will chamber.
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Reply #4 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 12:46pm
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I'm with Beltfed here. The amount of belling is really tiny in my case, so the extra two or three thou can be felt going in. Not hard, just noticeable. Some cases don't even get sized to reload.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 1:24pm
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Crimping is for repeaters and have little need in single shots, nothing that a change in neck tension can't equal or better.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:14pm
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I do not crimp SS nor do I remove the slight bell.  Neck tension holds the bullet.
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 2:51pm
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All of that makes sense to me, and thank you very much. I'm new at it, but most of my shooting these days is Schuetzen. I also shoot SS bench but I've been doing that for some time. I've never crimped for either. I do want to get separate crimp dies for my Marlin 1893 38-55 and for my Henry 45-70 Grizzly bear camp gun (never yet had to use it, thank God). Kiss They're both repeaters of course. Thanks again fellers.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 4:39pm
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Same as the other guys, Single Shots no crimp very little bell and even less removed when seating the bullet.

Fixed Ammo that is. Breech seating nothing at all.

That's the trick less you do to the bullet better off you are. Some matches fixed is needed for one reason or the other. If not better if the bullet is undisturbed mold to up the barrel

Your Marlin another story, needs some crimp to hold the bullet in place against the magazine spring. However own and have owned a number of Marlins used with lead bullets, very little crimp. Looking at some 25/20's for my Marlin 94 now even magnified hard to see any crimp.. 

25/20 has a long neck friction alone holds the bullet in place

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Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:24pm
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Crimp? Bell? Neck tension? Fixed? Sounds like a lot of work to me. 

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Reply #10 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 5:26pm
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When breech seating, I put a tiny bell on as well, at least if there is some smoking of the case. Like mentioned earlier, it prevents some blowback of gas.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 29th, 2016 at 6:23pm
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Some paper-patch shooters claim a slight taper crimp helps accuracy.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 30th, 2016 at 9:45am
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I have always thought that with soft lead / tin bullets that crimping does more harm than good. Deforming the base half or so of the bullet before the case can be expanded by the blast of the powder. The belling makes sense to me, as this is what I do with all my BS cases to insure that all the power of the powder is directed against the base of the bullet.

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Reply #13 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 7:53pm
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beltfed wrote on Jan 29th, 2016 at 11:18am:

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if necessary, we remove just enough of the bell so the (mouth of the) case will chamber.
beltfed/arnie


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Reply #14 - Jan 31st, 2016 at 11:14pm
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Keeping the brass the same length helps a lot  Shocked
  

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