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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 435 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:28pm	Print Post
	Made up 25 cartridge cases from miscellaneous 32/40 gun show litter and 30-30 cases; the 30-30 rims were reduced with my Paki lathe (3/8" drill) and a file. I loaded them with 11 gr. of 4227 and some odd Saeco 315 bullets that miked .316 to .323 at the base, lubed with Emmert. The bullets barely stayed in the case mouths. Shouldered and shot over a front rest, I was shocked to put 24 of them into the black of a MR-51 target at 100 yards. I was going to stop at 10, but I let that one off before I was ready and it dropped into the white, so I ran the rest for the heck of it and they all hit black. Not bad at all for a doggy-doo load and 68 year old eyes and unstable bullets. Can't wait until I get a proper stop-ring bullet fit to the bore and some decent cases. This old rifle will shoot!

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12074 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #1 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	Raise your powder charge to 13.5 gr. Looks like you got a keeper. Joe.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3853 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #2 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	Yeah, a little more pep for the one you have, and maybe you won't be lookin' for any better bullet than the Saeco! Thirteen or thirteen and a half grains and you'll be lovin' it even more.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17458 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #3 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 9:24am	Print Post
	That's a great way to start out with a new gun! Looks like a keeper!

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2936 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #4 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:16pm	Print Post
	My load is 14.2 grains of 4227. I must have Magnumitis. With my Aydt, it is not necessary to trim case rims at all. Just trim to length. Does anyone else find trimming case rims to be unnecessary?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17458 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #5 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:19pm	Print Post
	Don't have my Aydt anymore, but I simply ran .32 Win. Spl. through my dies, and they worked fine with no rim turning.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7550 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #6 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	I don't have to trim mine for my System Will but, I do for the GEW Mauser. If more guys got out and shot their rifles, we'd have a lot more info. My best load is 12.0 gr of 4227 BSed but, I don't get the tipping as shown above, even with a 1.19 long bullet. The PJ mold that he made for these rifles was 1.153 long. The standard twist rate for these great rifles is 360mm (14.17) and they should stabilize a bullet up to 1.21 long. I've only shot 2 bullets in my rifle: 311413, 1.05 long, modified with a PB rear band. It cast .314 in 20/1 and the base band is .316 308329, 1.19 long, with a .316 PB, I don't know if it was a special, made for the 303 but, it also casts .314 The PJ, I haven't shot yet, I cast up 100 to take to Spokane last year but, it casts .317 and wouldn't go into my BSer. I'll shoot it soon, when sighting in for this years trip. Frank Edit: I looked up my powder charge and it is 12.0 gr 4227, NOT 11.0
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12074 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #7 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Jan 28^th, 2016 at 12:16pm: With my Aydt, it is not necessary to trim case rims at all. Just trim to length. Does anyone else find trimming case rims to be unnecessary? Same here. No change in head dimensions for the Aydt. Do have to reduce the diameter for my Stahl rifle. The head is fully enclosed unlike the Aydt. Joe.
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 4218 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #8 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	I've had several 8.15x46R rifles through the years and I remember one of them needed rims reduced. Instead of doing this over and over my gunsmith just increased the diameter of the rim recess. One and done. This Aydt thread has reminded me that I have an Aydt barrel mounted on a 71 Mauser single shot that was formerly a 6.5 Daudeteau. The Aydt receiver had been cracked by an overload before I got it. I had the receiver expertly welded and rebarreled to 22 K-Hornet. Anyway, I'll have to dig that rifle out of the back of the safe and give it a try with bullets from my new stop ring mould.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12074 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #9 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:30pm	Print Post
	I only had to do mine once. Didn't cost anything and didn't have to change the rifle. Took me about an hour to do one hundred cases. I really like the little 8.15X46R. Next .32 rifle I do will have that chamber. Burns BP much better than the 32-40. Pents, you might try 34gr of FFF. Then set your bullets on the powder in unsized cases till you get a stop ring bullet. Might be surprised how good it works. Biggi has been using that load but with a VF wad for several years. She can usually call each shot to within two rings on the German 25 ring target at 200 yards. Joe.

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1021 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #10 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 1:56pm	Print Post
	I would forget about that stop-ring bullet, it will not shoot any better than your Saeco bullet. IMO all you need is about three more grains of 4227. Ledball


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12074 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #11 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 2:05pm	Print Post
	It might shoot better and he won't have to resize brass. Lot less work and less strain on brass. Go with the stop ring bullet, Pentz. Joe.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7550 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #12 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 2:33pm	Print Post
	Here's a idea that I may try, if I ever get caught up. Determ the best COAL that shoots best in your rifle and then, have RMC machine a case from a chamber case, with a straight hole of about .302 (#N drill), then counter bore it to your seating depth for what ever bullet size you need. BSing is legal for these rifles and I've always shot mine that way. It does seem odd though, that ISSA incourages SR bullets, when they don't even use them in Germany. A 200 yard, 3 shot, sight in target, breech seated. Frank

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12074 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #13 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	In Germany they reload cartridges like we reload jacketed ammo. They use one type of powder and most use tissue paper for a filler. The tissue is rolled precisely into a cylinder. All use factory swaged bullets. The quality of which is, well, it aint. Shooting and scoring in Germany is much different than here. They shoot for ring score and best center score. Scoring machines are used to measure best center bull shots. The bulls eye (hard red paper disc) is pasted to the target and is removed to be scored. It's made to fit a scoring machine. Distances shot in Germany are short compared to here. They do not shoot any BR matches, only OH. You must sight in from the OH position. Most diopter sights have no scale what so ever. A shooter must keep track of the turns required for each range or use a measuring device of some sort. In the old days not all shooters used stop ring bullets. Some loaded as Pentz is doing. Whatever works. The dust caused by the tissue paper dust is a serious issue at some ranges. I won't use it. Paper product, most likely contains silica. Joe.
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 4218 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Aydt range report - case forming load surprise Reply #14 - Jan 28^th, 2016 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	Depends on the chamber also. Some are cut for the stop ring.


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