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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	I found a rifle locally yesterday. It's a custom Remington No.1 Rolling Block rifle with double-set triggers that has been converted to .22 and restocked. ... and topped off with an early Fecker scope. The action is an original No.1 action with a rebated octagonal top. The photo here doesn't show it, but there are light traces of original case color. The breech block has some sort of modification, but looks to me more like the firing pin may still be in the center (the bore of barrel is not offset). The hammer has been "lightened" considerably with a low of metal removed. The double-set triggers functioned properly. I partially disassembled them to clean up old dried grease with Q-tips and solvent. It didn't need it, but I was looking for a gunmaker's name. Other than custom gunmakers (e.g. Carlos Gove), Remington never made a double-set trigger for the Rolling Block rifle. They made single-set, but never double-set. A similar set of triggers by C. D. Ladd (San Francisco) is shown in Marcot's Rolling Block book. The barrel is originally marked "44" and has been relined to .22 and the bore is mint. It may be a stainless barrel liner. I am not exactly sure what I'll do with this rifle if anything. With its unique triggers, I am tempted to either re-barrel or reline the rifle to something larger ... and restock it with a standard Remington pattern. Thoughts and opinions are appreciated ...


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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #1 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:24pm	Print Post
	... more detail ...


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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #2 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	... still more detail ...


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #3 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	Very interesting Joe. Wonder if the builder used DST Hepburn parts to make up those triggers?

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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #4 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	Good point ... I looked for photos or schematics of Hepburn double-set triggers but couldn't come up with anything. If anyone has photos, please share. Thank you, Joe


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #5 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 7:38am	Print Post
	One thing that is different is the adjustment screw location. Look at my most recent Hepburn pic here too see. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I'll get an internal pic for comparison shortly.
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	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2224 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #6 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:02am	Print Post
	Interesting rifle and excellent workmanship, particularly the breech block and hammer machining. The triggers look very similar to the Ballard type DST and sear installed on the homemade Walker-Hepburn and thought I had done something original. Glad to know who came up with the idea and should work well. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Chuck
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Zack T Senior Forum Member Online Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #7 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:57pm	Print Post
	Best thing to do with that rifle to sell it to me! It tugs at my heart strings. Really great find.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #8 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 5:50pm	Print Post
	Joe Do... wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 9:38pm: Good point ... I looked for photos or schematics of Hepburn double-set triggers but couldn't come up with anything. If anyone has photos, please share. Thank you, Joe Hepburn DST pic's.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 803 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #9 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	Very interesting/unusual/rare old rifle. If it was mine I'd leave it alone and proudly shoot it.


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Rek Participating Member Offline Posts: 10 Joined: Mar 8^th, 2015	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #10 - Jan 19^th, 2016 at 8:15am	Print Post
	What difference in lock time would you say there is with the lightened hammer block?


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rustyrelx Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 474 Location: Wallace Idaho Joined: Oct 9^th, 2007	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #11 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	.22's with dst are just a barrel of fun. Shoot it and enjoy it. Don


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Northtidesix Participating Member Offline Posts: 20 Joined: Mar 12^th, 2016	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #12 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 8:54pm	Print Post
	It is a beauty. Single shot .22's of this quality are a mite rare.


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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2028 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: Rem No.1 Rolling Block w Ladd Double Set Triggers Reply #13 - Jul 18^th, 2016 at 11:56am	Print Post
	Joe, Thanks for sharing the pictures, like many on this forum I have a real passion for set triggers, I made my first ones for a Mauser, then a single set for a High Wall, working on a set for a Ballard, but the double set for a Roller - interesting to say the least, I have a trigger guard casting that's going to become a set trigger arrangement. Thanks for the pictures. Greg

	"To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk" T. A. Edison "The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right" M.T.
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