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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	.22 LR High Wall Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:14pm	Print Post
	I've been looking for a standard sporting high wall in .22 lr with a #3 octagon barrel for a few years now. I even started saving up parts to build my own because I never thought I was going to find one. Well find one I did. It has a 28 inch barrel and a set trigger. It is all original with a good bore and it will shoot much better than I can. This is what I have always wanted; a beautiful, classic, full size 22 lr rifle. It took years to find it and I had to sell a few guns to get the money to buy it, but it was worth it. I love this gun. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #1 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	That's a Really Nice Rifle! Terry

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16278 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #2 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:12pm	Print Post
	Good looking High Wall!

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Chris C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 327 Location: Deep in the woods of Oklahoma Joined: Feb 12^th, 2014	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #3 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:19pm	Print Post
	envy, envy, envy! Beautiful find.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #4 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	Really nice rifle. The search is a big part of the fun. Finding it is the big prize.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3588 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #5 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:55pm	Print Post
	I've not owned a high wall in 22rf, only a couple of low wall jobs. But, that one would have me slobbering all over. Nice from end to end.


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jy3855 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 368 Location: California Joined: Jul 13^th, 2015	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #6 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:58pm	Print Post
	That rifle has been well cared for - beautiful. Congratulations on your find.


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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #7 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:47am	Print Post
	Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm looking forward to shooting this rifle in local 22 matches. It will be get loved and used regularly.


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7573 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #8 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:07am	Print Post
	Nice find, pays to wait. Give you some places to shoot it. This winter indoors two more marches at Conestoga club outside Philadelphia. Spring Columbia Schuetzen Thurmont MD. Several times a year Rimfire Ram Bash Fairfax R&G. Every month 3rd Sat Rimfire ram bash Cavalier R&P Montpiler Va. Also Froggy's Schuetzen match at Gretna Va spring and fall. Cavalier we shoot Wednesdays pratice often. send me a message if you want to shoot mid week. Good idea to go through the course before trying a Ram Bash. It's Squaded short sight in period so better to be ready Boats


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GeorgeC Oldtimer Offline ASSRA 11411 Posts: 521 Location: Madison, IN Joined: Dec 27^th, 2012	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #9 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:24am	Print Post
	Beautiful rifle. HiWalls have the look of the "Old West" about them. You done good.

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #10 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	Gentlemen, this is probably a stupid observation, especially since the owner has surely examined his rifle closely. But, I'm intrigued that the barrel marking is "22 LONG R" rather than the expected/usual "22 LR" or even "22 LONG RIFLE". Could the "R" stand for "RIMFIRE" rather than "RIFLE", the intent being to differentiate the chambering from the 22 Maynard or even the 22 WCF (both, of course, being contemporary centerfires)? Bill Lawrence


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #11 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	Easy way is to check the twist. 16 for Long Rifle and 20 for Long. Frank

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Nero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1006 Location: NZ Joined: Jun 1^st, 2006	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #12 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	Perhaps he just started too near the action and ran out of space to put rifle in. Or the tea break came up. Whoever did it had a steady eye and a sure hand. Would each of those numbers and letters have been put in singly or together by hand? Did they have tea breaks in those days? That sure is a nice looking rifle. Somebody has loved and looked after it.
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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #13 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	That is just how Winchester marked them. 22 Cal. R.F. (22 cal rimfire. This is how winchester marked very early 22 short guns.) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) 22 short. This is from a low wall I have. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) 22 long. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) 22 long rifle. These are from guns I owned. One Low Wall and two High Wall muskets. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) 22 Extra long is 22 EX LONG (Follow this link for pics (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)) 22 WCF is marked as such 32 RF rounds are usually marked as 32 short or 32 long.
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16278 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #14 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	Had a Winchester High Wall with #4 weight barrel in .22LR, and it too was marked, ".22 LONG R". This could go back to the days when the .22LR was first introduced, and it was referred to as the ".22 Long for Rifles".

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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 594 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #15 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 7:56am	Print Post
	I have owned Winchester Nigh Walls with the close-coupled and scheutzen style double-set triggers but my favorite has always been the single-set trigger. I'll bet this rifle weighs a bit more than average with a No.3 barrel in .22! Very nice find! Joe


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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #16 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	Just out of curiosity, but are 22 Long rimfire cartridges still manufactured? It is my understanding that although the chamber length for the Long and the Long rifle, is the same. The actual twist is different between the rounds and that Long Rifle does not shoot as accurately as the original Long round if used in the earlier models chambered for the long round. Harry


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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #17 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	CCI still makes 22 long. I think it's a little tricky to find though.


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ALPHAWOLF45 Junior Member Offline Posts: 92 Location: Arkansas Joined: Oct 28^th, 2006	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #18 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	My club only last year started holding a match that would allow that rifle. It really does matter where you live because till just now that rifle would not interest me in the least.. And that coming from a guy who loves antique AMERICAN made rifles. Handsome rifle.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #19 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	Quote: Just out of curiosity, but are 22 Long rimfire cartridges still manufactured? It is my understanding that although the chamber length for the Long and the Long rifle, is the same. The actual twist is different between the rounds and that Long Rifle does not shoot as accurately as the original Long round if used in the earlier models chambered for the long round. Harry Harry, Here's a link to CCI. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I could find only two versions of the 22 Long that were loaded by CCI, a HV loading showing a muzzle velocity @ 1215 fps, and a CB loading showing a muzzle velocity @ 710 fps, with both versions using 29 grain bullets. The old WRA catalogs I have show that Winchester loaded the 22 Long cartridges using 35 grain weight solid-nose bullets or 32 grain hollow-points, so the CCI Long cartridges are currently using a bullet weight that WRA used to use for the 22 Short. Campbells first singleshot book shows that WRA used a 1:24 twist for both the 22 Long and 22 Short, and shows a 1:16 twist for both the 22 Long Rifle and the 22 Extra Long. Interestingly, the book also shows that for the 22 BB cartridge, Winchester used a 1:20 twist. On a side note, I always get a chuckle when I see the old WRA cartridge listing for the 22 Short "Spotlight" cartridge, and wonder if those cartridges were any better for the purpose of jacklight shooting.

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.22-5-40 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 802 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2010	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #20 - Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	I understand the early .22 long rifle ctg. for rifles were not crimped...the reasoning was accuracy was better. When repeaters and revolvers were chambered for this ctg. problems arose from bullets being pulled and left stuck in chambers..crimping was added to all ctgs. to eliminate this.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 2921 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #21 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:00am	Print Post
	BP wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 8:06pm: The old WRA catalogs I have show that Winchester loaded the 22 Long cartridges using 35 grain weight solid-nose bullets or 32 grain hollow-points, so the CCI Long cartridges are currently using a bullet weight that WRA used to use for the 22 Short. Will guess that is simply because they sell many more .22 Short cartridges then .22 Long and is simpler to just cast and load the one bullet. I see bricks of .22 Short ammo at the LGSs periodically and do not recall ever seeing .22 Long.

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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #22 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 11:11am	Print Post
	Chalk and BP, Thanks for the information, I haven't seen a box of .22 Long here in Britain for several decades past. It would seem there is a good market for .22 Long Rifle liners to convert these old rifles chambered for .22 Long cartridges to Long Rifle. Harry
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16278 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .22 LR High Wall Reply #23 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 12:08pm	Print Post
	SSShooter wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:00am: I see bricks of .22 Short ammo at the LGSs periodically and do not recall ever seeing .22 Long. Sure wish I saw bricks of .22 Short around here! I have a couple rifles chambered for .22 Shorts, and buy what I can find, but it's harder to find here.

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