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Fazer Full Member Offline Posts: 248 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	W/R Improved Martini Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	I picked this up a while ago, It is 577/500 No 2. Does anyone have any experience with this cartridge. Thanks (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3877 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #1 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	Beautiful rifle. Mine (plain military style) is in 500-450 No. 2 Musket.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3877 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #2 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 6:56pm	Print Post
	Also, for those that may not know, they should have called it an "Improved Peabody" since its innards are like Peabody's design for a Peabody without an outside hammer - can't say hammerless since it does have an internal hammer and not Martini's striker system.


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spdalcher Full Member Offline Posts: 153 Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2013	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #3 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:58pm	Print Post
	Man that is one pretty rifle! That's an itch I'd like to scratch, but don't think I could come up with enough scratch...


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 704 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #4 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 1:55am	Print Post
	Fazer wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 5:09pm: I picked this up a while ago, It is 577/500 No 2. Does anyone have any experience with this cartridge. I have a friend who's loaded the cartridge for a couple of commercial Snyder "Officer's Model" rifles who would likely share info. What kind of experience are you looking for?


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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1675 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #5 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 3:52am	Print Post
	For starters, it's an express - so it will be sighted for a light-for calibre bullet (might even be mentioned under the forend, or somewhere else). And it's a BP round, so that part is simple: just fill the case...


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Fazer Full Member Offline Posts: 248 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #6 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:45am	Print Post
	Quote: What kind of experience are you looking for? What did he do for brass, I guess Bertram's in Australia.


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Fazer Full Member Offline Posts: 248 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #7 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:18am	Print Post
	Quote: is in 500-450 No. 2 Musket. As is this one, Another W/R, Deeley and Edge (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 704 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #8 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 10:55am	Print Post
	Fazer wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:45am: What did he do for brass, I guess Bertram's in Australia. He's been collecting that kind of stuff since the 1960s so I suspect that he already had some. But I'll ask him where he got his, and what he used for loads. I know he was shooting smokeless.


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Huvius Junior Member Offline Posts: 73 Location: Wheat Ridge Joined: Apr 12^th, 2011	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #9 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	The Bertram brass works well but there seems to be a bit of a shortage of it at the usual retailers. I have shot both BP and smokeless (H4198 with a backer rod filler) both with 350gr paper patched bullets and Hawk thin jacketed bullets which I think were 400grs or so. Easy to load and a wonderful cartridge. Your 1871 is very similar to one of mine.


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Steve Miller Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Nov 5^th, 2015	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #10 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	I see both of these rifles have wiping sticks under the barrel. Are both wiping sticks wooden? Are the wiping stick pipes mounted onto the barrel or are they attached to an under rib? I find it very interesting and beautiful that some single shot gunsmiths mounted wiping sticks on some rifles. It really gives a nice look and continues the tradition from half stock muzzleloaders. Are their any single shot gunsmiths that know how to do this and would be able to do this on a newly made single shot?


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bouldersmith Ex Member	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #11 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	They are mounted exactly like they are done on a muzzleloader, fit to an under rib and soldered on. Not hard to do but labor intensive. I have done them in the past. Steve


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 704 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #12 - Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	I talked to my buddy who likes the big bore English guns. He said that his 577 brass is made from Bell 577 basic brass. I looked on gunbroker and someone is advertising 10 new cases for sale: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) FWIW.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3877 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #13 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:42am	Print Post
	OT, but, Fazer, I had one of those 1873's. Saw it sticking out of a barrel in a London gunshop. Cost me all of $100. Odd thing was it was in 400-360 WR which didn't exist before 1900 or so. It was the only rifle I ever had that gave me an accidental discharge. Seems the trigger guard, which is part of the lever, could rub against the trigger when closing the action with any unusual force such as a tight case. Enough of a rub to move the trigger enough to release the sear. Unfortunately it happened in my loading room as I was checking loaded ammo for fit and scared the heck out of me. The muzzle happened to be pointing at an old GI steel chair and the bullet went through the cushion, hit the steel frame which absorbed a lot of the force, and deflected through the carpet onto the concrete floor where the carpet trapped it. Needless to say the trigger guard got a quick relief job so there was no chance of it touching the trigger no matter how the lever was worked. Have you checked yours?


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Huvius Junior Member Offline Posts: 73 Location: Wheat Ridge Joined: Apr 12^th, 2011	Re: W/R Improved Martini Reply #14 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:07am	Print Post
	Quote: They are mounted exactly like they are done on a muzzleloader, fit to an under rib and soldered on. Not hard to do but labor intensive. I have done them in the past. Steve The length of the rod mounted under the barrel on the 1871 is just the length of the barrel. My rifle, and others I would think, have a rod extension stored in the butt trap that screws onto the rod so you can wipe all the way through.


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