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Reloading rimfires
Jan 14th, 2016 at 1:09am
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Has anyone tried reloading rimfire cases? I just saw a couple of adds on Gunauction for a repriming kit for 22 rimfire and an add for a kit with a 2 cavity .22 mold for reloading 22 shells. It's on the last page of the reloading supply's. If I knew how to do a link it I would. Hope it may help someone.
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Reply #1 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:11am
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Sounds interesting, Just highlight the address (Very top bar on your screen starts with WWW most likely) Click on it until the whole thing is highlighted usually one click though sometimes you might have to click a few times to get the whole thing. Depress the "CTRL" and "C" keys at the same time and this will copy the webpage URL. Then start a post and make sure your cursor is in the text box press "CTRL" and "V" keys at same time this will paste the address into the message. The "CTRL" key should be lower left corner of your keyboard.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:50am
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I think this is the kit you may be referring to:
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I've seen reloading dies, or tools for those who want to pull factory bullets and powder, and load their own bullets and powder in primed cases. Haven't seen them in awhile though.
I recently purchased a .22LR Ballard, which came with a Paul Jones mold for casting a 40 gr. .22LR bullet. My friend was making up his own rounds, but I'm unsure what he was using, as I found no tools, and just a box of his loaded ammo with the new bullets. I've been looking around out of curiosity, to see what tools might be available for .22LR, to seat new bullets.
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 10:30am
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The biggest problem is of course repriming the cases and while I am not sure which "kit" is being referred to here some of them try to make a potential buyer think priming is easy and cheap using strike anywhere matches. This might have been true several years ago but not anymore!!!!! Matches than could be used to obtain priming material have been out of production for several years now due to federal regulations and while it's easy to find matches that are called "strike anywhere" they are NOT the same and are an extremely poor substitute for the real thing, basically they are nothing but a poorly performing expensive shadow of what they once were.

The point is don't fall for that "easy to prime using matches" sales gimmick because it's just that -a gimmick! Due to federal regulations the amount of usable material on new type "strike anywhere" matches is so tiny it won't even reliably light a match never mind make a primer, instead of a lump of the material on the tip like it once was it's simply a thin painted on layer now. Even if enough material could be gleaned from these things they are too costly and it would take so many of them it just wouldn't be worth the expense.  



This pretty much sums up the match situation and since this was written even the ones he mentions as somewhat decent are now gone,

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I also see in the link provided in the post above this one that kit does indeed show "strike anywhere" matches as cheap and easy, IT'S A GIMMICK SALES PITCH THAT WONT WORK!
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Re: Reloading rimfires
Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm
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Marlinguy. That is the kit that I saw, they have a priming kit also but @ $25 kinda spendy if you don't know if it will work plus it may eat your bore.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 2:56pm
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Longdistance1 wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 12:21pm:
Marlinguy. That is the kit that I saw, they have a priming kit also but @ $25 kinda spendy if you don't know if it will work plus it may eat your bore.



That priming compound may or may not be corrosive but given the complexities of non-corrosive compounds I think it likely is, that however is nothing more than a guess. Those match heads, even if enough material could be obtained, is VERY corrosive and would require a thorough cleaning after evrey shooting session.

I noticed at that site they have a picture of "Diamond Green Light" strike anywhere matches with the notation of "economical"! "Diamond Green Light" is probably the WORST strike anywhere matches available, to quote the person who wrote the article I linked to, 

"Tried to buy “Strike Anywhere Matches” lately? Please, don’t even bring up the new Diamond Green Tip Strike Anywhere Matches. They are the match equivalent of a neutered animal. It looks the same but it just doesn’t work the same".

That was what I found also when trying to use match heads for ML caps, those things that site show as "economical" are NOT usable for primers!  They have to know those things won't work worth @$#% and no other suitable matches are available anymore no matter what they are called these days, my concern is that If they are going to be that misleading about an extremely important part of that kit what else are they being misleading about?



      
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 3:25pm
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What about the caps, used in cap guns. I see that they are still available.

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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:26pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 3:25pm:
What about the caps, used in cap guns. I see that they are still available.

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Those do indeed work and are cheap enough but can be a real PITA to to scrape out then convert to a slurry without the ingredients precipitating out, also they are VERY corrosive. Still they can be an option if a person is willing to devote the time and effort to scrape the compound out, get the procedure down on how to make a priming paste out of it and then get it into the case rims. All-in-all it takes a lot of time and effort to just do a few cases and for all that we end up with a few (corrosive) 22 RF rounds. After looking into and making a trial lot of of ML caps I decided that realistically it was way more trouble than it's worth just for a few 22 rounds, corrosive or not, but then that's just me and lot's of other folks may very well be willing to do this no matter how much time it takes! I admire anyone willing to do that but I still look at those kits with more than a little suspicion, I can't help but think they are WAY oversimplifying the procedure and IMHO they are just flat out misleading folks about those matches so what else are they neglecting to mention?   


Those kits have been around several years now and we don't see a lot of them in use, wonder why?
  
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Re: Reloading rimfires
Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:37pm
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Radkin is right about the modern "strike anywhere" matches.  They are doing well if they light when struck on the box.

I don't know what the composition is any more, but the old strike-anywhere tips reputedly had powdered glass in their formulation.  Using this for priming compound would erode a .22 barrel in short order, just like a Flobert with the old BB Caps.  Any phosphorus or chlorate would make them corrosive as well.

I think that the cap compositions are still chlorate and sulfur based, so they would be corrosive rather than erosive.  People who don't like Pyrodex in their muzzle loaders would like cap composition byproducts even less in their .22s.

The modern paper caps made in China or Germany are dumbed down like the strike anywhere matches, attenuated to save the hearing of "The Children" until they can blow their eardrums out at Rock Concerts.  I have one of those North American Arms Turret Rifles that uses paper caps as primers and it needs two or more modern cap centers to set off the black powder.  Kilgore caps (Made in USA) were the good ones, and they are collector's items now.

I'd have to be pretty desperate to think about reloading rimfires with stuff like that.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 9:08pm
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In my search I stumbled across some maniac on Youtube who was using Ramshot .22 RF charges, and muzzleloading bullets down the bore. He showed using a Ruger Mk II, and a rifle I don't remember. 
He was shooting these at various targets, and comparing them to loaded .22LR ammo. The penetration was crazy, and first thing I thought is those are pretty hot charges! Then he did some chronograph readings, and I think they were exiting the barrel at around 2500 fps!!! Yikes!
But it did bring up a thought in my mind. I wondered about using .22 blanks, and breech seating the 40 grain bullets my mold drops? Wondered if a blank has enough powder to drive the bullet down a 28"-30" barrel? Or if it would reach the target even?
  

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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 9:36pm
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Breach seated .25 bullets and #3 .27 nail gun loads have been discussed hear at length. I have used some in a Stevens 44 with no problems. Need to chronograph them and see how fast they are going. Accuracy is comparable to factory ammo.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:59pm
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That's sad about the Strike Anywhere matches.  I still have half a box, work so good on your zipper or even on the siding of the barn.   I have no idea what is in them but it's a sad day when we can't even buy matches that work.
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Reply #12 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 2:48am
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Sounds like flicking them with your thumb nail is a thing of the past Cry
  

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Reply #13 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 7:33am
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EricJ wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 11:59pm:
That's sad about the Strike Anywhere matches.  I still have half a box, work so good on your zipper or even on the siding of the barn.   I have no idea what is in them but it's a sad day when we can't even buy matches that work.
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If I understood it correctly I think it's transportation regulations that killed them, or at least that's the excuse they used. Real strike anywhere matches are bringing absolutely obscene prices on Ebay and even the phony new ones are grossly overpriced, for instance a box of 250 Penley Strike Anywhere is $6 on Amazon but that's a rip-off because that's for the newer "Hardly" Strike Anywhere types that are useless for our purposes. "The old Ohio Blue Tip" was the king of matches and these had a generous dollop of the ignitor material on the tip but they shut down about 10 years ago, Diamond is trying to capitalize on the name by marketing a new "Ohio Blue Tip" brand but it's a scam! These are nothing more then today's version of the strike anywhere and while they APPEAR to have a generous ignitor tip it's just a phony painted on layer, they are waaaaay over-priced and don't even work as well as the Strike-On-The-Box types.

It really stinks that those RF reloader kit makers are getting away with making people think they can easily and cheaply reload those cases with match tips when they full well know it won't work anymore.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 8:44am
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What is wrong about buying 22 rimfire ammo?  Seems a much easier endeavor.

  
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