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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1014 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #15 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 5:41pm	Print Post
	The most accurate bullets in the world 30 BR. 6PPC. 22RF. etc are all swaged (sized) bullets. Please explain why. Ledball


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	The Saeco and Lyman are GC currently available. Are you shooting them breach seated in the Krag as is or did you open them up to plain base? BTW, Bev Phiney is shooting a turn bolt in CBA breach seated with the world's longest breach seating tool!

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11674 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #17 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	Shoot fixed ammo in the Krag. Use gas checks on the two and none on the Pope bullet. Not nearly as accurate as plain base breech seated bullets. Best groups have been in the 1 - 1 1/2" size at one hundred yards. Peep sights. Joe.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #18 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:00pm	Print Post
	Guess I misunderstood your original post. I expected you had posted the holy grail

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11674 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #19 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	Holy grail? Huh? The Seaco mold number says - 315 GOD Don't think "GOD" stands for anything holy. Think it must be a secret Seaco code. Joe.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11674 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #20 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	ledball wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 5:41pm: The most accurate bullets in the world 30 BR. 6PPC. 22RF. etc are all swaged (sized) bullets. Please explain why. Ledball Lead bullets? Jacketed bullets? .22RF, most accurate bullets in the world? Joe.

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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #21 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:26pm	Print Post
	ledball wrote on Dec 20^th, 2015 at 5:41pm: The most accurate bullets in the world 30 BR. 6PPC. 22RF. etc are all swaged (sized) bullets. Please explain why. Ledball Swaged and Sized bullets are Not the Same.... Terry

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11674 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #22 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 8:51pm	Print Post
	This one Bob. It's real accurate in my Krag. Joe.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #23 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 9:59pm	Print Post
	Thanks Joe,

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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #24 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 12:18am	Print Post
	I shoot both pan lubed and sized bullets, mostly sized. I'm way behind most of you in the very accurate shooting game but what comes to mind here is the quality of the bullets as cast. I don't want to slam any mould makers but one of the best known's molds seem to often cast bullets that are anything but round. How will they shoot as cast? The other question is, if a bullet is out of round but the variation in diameter is on the seam ,equal on both sides, is that bullet out of balance? It doesn't seem to me like it would be. I eliminated my doubts some time ago by buying custom molds that cast really good bullets. Also eliminated an alibi! JS


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #25 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 1:53am	Print Post
	JS47 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 12:18am: I shoot both pan lubed and sized bullets, mostly sized. I'm way behind most of you in the very accurate shooting game but what comes to mind here is the quality of the bullets as cast. I don't want to slam any mould makers but one of the best known's molds seem to often cast bullets that are anything but round. How will they shoot as cast? The other question is, if a bullet is out of round but the variation in diameter is on the seam ,equal on both sides, is that bullet out of balance? It doesn't seem to me like it would be. I eliminated my doubts some time ago by buying custom molds that cast really good bullets. Also eliminated an alibi! JS Making sure your mold is closed consistently and consistent mold temp are the key if you are casting at an appropriate temp, with good clean alloy. Only a few makers ever produced an occasional square mold

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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1883 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #26 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 6:17am	Print Post
	Someone touched on it earlier depends on what you are doing? Breech seating or shooting fixed ammo. Most breech seat shooters shot as cast. with breech seating we can take a bullet that is a couple .001 over groove dia. And push it into the rifling and it seals the chamber and the bullet does not jump to get into the rifling. It can be a little bigger and not be a problem. Fixed ammo is a different story. You need a non taper bullet and one thats diameter will fit into a case and allow the case to be chambered still. So dia. Can be pretty touchy to keep from swelling the case to much or deforming the bullet to much when stuffing the cases. So more fixed shooters shot sized bullets.


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Pentz Senior Forum Member Offline Funf und Zwanzig mit den Hut Posts: 433 Location: Vancouver, WA Joined: Sep 4^th, 2014	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #27 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 10:56am	Print Post
	NOE makes a copy of the 315 that is extremely accurate in my 1917 Winchester CBA rifle. Its a taper and I've shot sub MOA 10-round groups with it over 16.5 of 2400.

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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #28 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 12:12pm	Print Post
	Sooooo, "reading between the lines", it sounds like fixed loads, shot "as cast" from a Lee mold may not work all that well ?


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #29 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:42pm	Print Post
	cuslog wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 12:12pm: Sooooo, "reading between the lines", it sounds like fixed loads, shot "as cast" from a Lee mold may not work all that well ? May or may not, Just depends on the fit.

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