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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:17am	Print Post
	Recently read where some are shooting cast lead bullets "as cast" -- as in "not running them through a sizing die" ? I had never heard of that. Do some do this ? How well does it work ?


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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1626 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #1 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:20am	Print Post
	Almost everyone here does it that way.

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shovel80 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 896 Location: Sonora,CA Joined: Jun 6^th, 2011	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:24am	Print Post
	I shoot as cast lead plain base bullets. They work Very Well for me. Terry

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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2371 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #3 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:27am	Print Post
	My lubrisizer is only used to hang rags on . I generally buy custom molds that drop bullets with just the right diameter. For my schuetzen rifles I use tapered bullets that I can't really size anyway. The only sizers I use are push through ones that I use on patched bullets. Chris.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2932 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #4 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:33am	Print Post
	Also shoot only "as cast" and pan lubed bullets.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3041 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #5 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:36pm	Print Post
	I only have one bullet I have to VERY lightly size after pan lubing for my 38-55 BP load so I can hand seat it in the case. That load shoots so well, I don't want to mess with it. All else shot as cast and pan lubed. Jack

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cuslog Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 263 Location: Calgary, Alberta Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #6 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 12:51pm	Print Post
	Hmmm, well, how'bout that ! Have to give that a try. Had never heard of Pan lubing either - had to find a youtube video of it ! Just thinking about getting back into shooting. In another life, on another planet, I was a "bullseye" pistol shooter, cast thousands and thousands of bullets for .38 special and .32 S&W. Always sized in a Star sizer-luber. Sold all that stuff years ago. "As cast" and pan lubing does look a lot cheaper -- and if most of you guys are doing it that way, it must work !


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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 797 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #7 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	I do or use both methods. I have some tapered bullets that almost demand that they be pan lubed and I have found that pan lubing can be a pain in the behind to start but all in all it isn't that bad. I do shoot some gas checked bullets and they do need a trip in and out of a sizing die. Also some of my pistol bullets do need to be reduced in diameter so sizing is pretty much mandatory. Unless your rifle bullets are grossly oversize shooting them un-sized will or should not cause any problems. Something else that I have run into with using a luber/sizer is that it can form your bullets off center a little if things are not just lined up right, and that can and does lead to poor accuracy. Go ahead and lube up some as cast bullets and give them a try. Sam


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #8 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	I have a lube sizer and use it for 44-40 bullets only. My old Winchester'92 has a tight chamber and even with sized bullets I full length re-size the loaded round as the last operation. No feed hang ups that way. Everything else is shot as cast. Black powder bullets are dipped in molten lube and stood on an old magazine to dry. Nitro bullets are tumble lubed in Lee Liquid Alox. I shoot a lot of stop-ring bullets in my two 8,15 x 46R rifles and of course these cannot be sized even if I wanted to. Fred


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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1132 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #9 - Dec 19^th, 2015 at 4:30pm	Print Post
	It is hard to see that sizing bullets can really improve the concentricity, etc., so I have always preferred to shoot them "as cast" if possible. I don't mind sizing a bit if it makes them "fit" better -- for example, I size .410 diameter bullets down to .4005 to use in my .40 cal long range ML rifle. That's a LOT. Scope/bench, I have shot 2 consecutive 5 shot groups that could almost be covered with a quarter. They couldn't have been damaged TOO much. CHRIS RGChristensen


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #10 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 9:39am	Print Post
	A proper size cast bullet shot as cast will always out shoot a bullet that is cast in some generic size and then squeezed into a different size. 40 Rod


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JackHughs Oldtimer Offline Posts: 657 Location: Riverbank Joined: Sep 27^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #11 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	cuslog wrote on Dec 19^th, 2015 at 11:17am: Recently read where some are shooting cast lead bullets "as cast" -- as in "not running them through a sizing die" ? I had never heard of that. Do some do this ? How well does it work ? To size, or not to size depends on the application. Shooting "as cast" for fine accuracy in a rifle almost always requires a custom bullet mould to assure perfect bullet fit. Pan lubing is well suited to this application. For virtually everything else, a lubrisizer is my tool of choice. JackHughs

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11674 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #12 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	My Krag shoots extremely accurate with tapered Seaco Egan bullets as cast and Pope bullets as cast. Lyman 311-284 GC lubrisized shoots fair. The modern Lyman loading manuals, plain base bullets and Schuetzen rifles don't mix. One custom mold costs less than all the dies, lubrisizers lube cartridges, loading presses and stuff it takes to make fixed ammo. Lyman makes a lot of money selling all that stuff. Joe.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #13 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	What are the mold numbers you are using Joe? Or, Are they all custom cut?

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11674 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Shooting "as cast" cast bullets ?? Reply #14 - Dec 20^th, 2015 at 5:27pm	Print Post
	Saeco 315 GOD. Tapered GC bullet. Truncated cone nose. Pope 311-403 out of a Belding & Mull mold. Lyman 311-284. Over the counter stuff I believe. Was Idaho a state then? Joe.

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