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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11439 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #30 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:22pm	Print Post
	I first heard of the Coors matches at Golden, CO in Guns and Ammo magazine. Does G & A mag still exist? Do people still read Gun Magazines? Joe.

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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1085 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #31 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:20pm	Print Post
	I have to weigh in on this topic of promoting Schuetzen events. There are some things to bear in mind: One is that there are not many of us out there -- we are spread pretty thin. The only way to solve this problem is to recruit MORE of us. They ARE out there -- and just don't realize that this game is going on. Many present shooters will tell you that they were introduced to our game by accident - I was. Another is that the matches need to be social events, as well as competitions. The beginning of the current part of the game, 50 years ago, was chiefly social. Their first get-togethers were essentially gun shows with live ammo. I DON'T think that the challenging target is a big barrier. Wasn't for me when I started in 25+ years ago, anyway. Dumbing down has hurt many other games; look around and you can name them. If you are doing a match, offer a variety of games. Our club shoots RF, classic Schuetzen CF, and 'big-bore" events, plus some "fun" targets, like picture targets. If a couple of guys wants to have a side match with their own agreed-upon rules, add it to the program on the spot. We have had Maynard matches, a 44-90 Sharps match, rook rifle matches, TD Springfield matches, etc. "Something for everyone" will appeal to many. Word-of-mouth is VERY important. Bring someone to a match. Hope to see you on the range in the spring. CHRIS RGChristensen


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Brudford01 Full Member Offline Posts: 196 Location: Beaver Falls PA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #32 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 8:27am	Print Post
	Not one poster mentioned the cost of shooting ! At my club here in Western PA CMP with military style rifles is big , reason cheap ammo and cheap guns . We lost over 1/2 our shooters in Trap when shot went to 40.00$ bag . Bullseye shooting is almost gone. Reason, to be competitive you needed a race gun, again the cost . Sponsers, center of country for shoots , attracting young shooters is all great , again the cost . My CPA rifle, 2000.00$ and that is doing my own stock. 500.00$ for a scope , 150.00$ for a good mold. To start Schuetzen you are looking at 3000.00$ just to get started. The guys with the deep pockets and the best equipment usually are the most competitive . Yeah I know we all know someone with an old beat up rifle that wins matches , however do they have a 1000.00$ barrel on that rifle ?
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Dr.Maynard Ex Member	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #33 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 9:01am	Print Post
	Quote: Not one poster mentioned the cost of shooting ! At my club here in Western PA CMP with military style. . . Thanks Brudford01 , I think you just did . . . .


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #34 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 9:18am	Print Post
	Two things: first Brett is no longer with the SSE. Second I had some long conversations about his adventures with the Grand American Schuetzenfest. I don’t think he’d do it again for love or money. The also told me about the wholesale cheating that went on (Names deleted). Lastly Good rifles aren’t cheap and cheap guns aren’t any good. 40 Rod


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Dr.Maynard Ex Member	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #35 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 9:24am	Print Post
	Quote: Lastly Good rifles aren’t cheap and cheap guns aren’t any good.40 Rod You are being redundant. Mr. Brudford1 just said that clearly. If you repeat it enough times, that still does not solve the issue. .


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7250 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #36 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 11:31am	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 9:18am: Two things: first Brett is no longer with the SSE. Second I had some long conversations about his adventures with the Grand American Schuetzenfest. I don’t think he’d do it again for love or money. The also told me about the wholesale cheating that went on (Names deleted). Lastly Good rifles aren’t cheap and cheap guns aren’t any good. 40 Rod If I could get Bett's contact info, I would gladly call him. His shoots happened when I was out of shooting with my torn rotor cuff shoulder so, I didn't even know of them until a few years ago when this subject came up at that time. But, I must say, that the first thing that needs to happen is for ASSRA and ISSA, to have unbiased, meaningful talks for the good of this sport and these rifles and I would suggest that two of the most diplomatic, BOD from both organizations, start a dialog with this type of event as the goal. As far as cheating goes (I assume it's in OH) that can and has been dealt with (names deleteted) in the past and I'm sure that those that where caught, wish they hadn't cheated. It seems to have ruined their reputation to where they have to drop out, completely for 10 years or more. I would like to ask a sincere question of the BOD of both ISSA and ASSRA that are on this forum. Has there ever been any talks, between each organazation, about combining efforts to organize a national match? There are excellent shooters in both organizations and I bet that the shooters would love to compete against each other on a neutral range. What say you? Frank

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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 803 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #37 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	After cleaning up the garbage, Arlo and friend went to Alice's restaurant for a fine meal, you can anything you want at Alice's Restaurant.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7250 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #38 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 1:29pm	Print Post
	.22Hepburn wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 1:22pm: After cleaning up the garbage, Arlo and friend went to Alice's restaurant for a fine meal, you can anything you want at Alice's Restaurant. It would be very nice if it where that easy. But, you could also say that "We want to do this, not because it's easy but, because it's hard" AND worth it Frank

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1184 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #39 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 2:10pm	Print Post
	Frank You make some good points about talks between the ISSA and ASSRA concerning a National Schuetzenfest. IF the two organizations decide it is in their mutual best interests to sponsor and run a national match, it would initially have to be at either Whittington Center or Etna Green (or perhaps a simultaneous *telegraph* match between the two locations). Even if ASSRA and ISSA combined efforts and finances, putting on an initial national match at a range other than those two locations is not doable without significant 3rd party sponsorship and support. There is simply no support infrastructure (people who could run such an event) at any other shooting site, at least I'm not aware of any. IMO a national schuetzenfest would need to start modestly and hopefully build on success and grow over time. Perhaps we should take a poll to see how many of this forum's readers would even consider competing in a national schuetzenfest, how far they might be willing to travel and how much money they would be willing to spend for entry fees?
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3547 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #40 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 2:19pm	Print Post
	you can get anything you want.... blah blah. Excepting Alice.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #41 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 4:32pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Dec 4^th, 2015 at 2:19pm: you can get anything you want.... blah blah. Excepting Alice. Now, that was the short version.

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #42 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 6:00pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 4:17pm: I don't want to be around or shoot around limp wristed pantywastes who say. but, but, but it's to haaard! I can't do it. I can't even see that far. You tried making it easier, Bob. Didn't work. Joe. I didn't compromise the target, just trying to attract more shooters that might not have a single shot yet. That didn't work.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7250 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #43 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	A Poll isn't a bad idea. I'll post a thread for that. Frank

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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Schuetzenfest Reply #44 - Dec 4^th, 2015 at 7:42pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 7:22pm: I first heard of the Coors matches at Golden, CO in Guns and Ammo magazine. Does G & A mag still exist? Do people still read Gun Magazines? Joe. G&A is still around. I subscribed for $12 per year. I'm letting it run out. Other than an article or two about old guns, it's all stainless steel, plastic, and high capacity, along with the tactical gear one has to have to make it all cool. No wonder there are so many lunatics out there. But I'm getting off topic. I'd love to see a national schuetzenfest held somewhere in Alaska! JS


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