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early Winchester High Wall info and questions
Nov 29th, 2015 at 11:21am
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How rare are the early octagon frame top receivers and secondly how rare being a 30 inch octagon barrel in 44-40 also?  Serial number is 1,5XX. Frome what info I have found the octagon top was thought to be between serial number 2,000 to 7,000
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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 12:02pm
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Reply #2 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 4:41pm
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There may indeed be a lot more within that serial number range, but according to John Campbell's book the octagon tops show up occasionally well over 100,000 serial number ranges. He felt that the early octagon top receivers were set aside when the change to round tops occurred, and later used to supply orders from people who requested the octagon top receiver as a special order, or if a gun was a more deluxe gun and it would be appropriate to use the fancier receiver.
My octagon top Special Sporting was in the 27xx range.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 5:03pm
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Like Marlinguy says; there are probably more than we think.  I've had two.  Quite a few of the early ones had small shank barrel like yours probably has since it's in 44-40.  The one I still have is a large shank, octagon top, thin wall with a serial #189X. Yours looks to be in nice shape. Bob
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:52pm
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Seems odd they marked the caliber like that,I thought they marked them 44 WCF
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 8:25pm
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I have an early serial # 800 Octagon top receiver that also has the small shank Barrel size. Like a Lowall. When I bought it it had a barrel in .222 Rem with a extractor that was loose on the pin and had a small flat spring to let it ride over the Rimless shell and engage for Extraction. Worked fine, gun just did not shoot worth a crap. Then on examination found very faintly under the Forend .22H. So I was shooting the wrong weight bullet's. So then I got frustrated and had it barrelled by Douglas in 30-30 with a 16" twist. Planning to shoot Light weight bullets and drive them hard. Then found that these small shank Hiwall were built for pistol cartridges and were suspicious for strength. Supposedly were only built during first year production. HTH Regards, FITZ. Smiley
  

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Mine was a large shank .32-40, but caliber was stamped, not engraved as yours is.

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Reply #7 - Dec 31st, 2015 at 5:19pm
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Wonder if that is the original barrel? Have you ask the Cody museum for a letter?
  

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Reply #8 - Dec 31st, 2015 at 7:43pm
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After noticing this post and my reply I remembered I have another early Highwall. This one is Serial #818. It is a Large Shank thread, and an Octagon Top receiver. Straight Grip. The fact that it is so close to my Small Shank, Octagon Top serial # 800 lends me to believe that at that time they were assembling Rifles practically to order. By the way the first one mentioned here the serial # is Script. The barrel is lost to history as I got this as a Action only. Also I have somewhere been told or have read that these were 1st Year production by the Numbers. 
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Thanks for the input gentlemen.
  
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It is required for all Winchester sellers to include the word rare somewhere in the description. 

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Reply #11 - Jan 13th, 2016 at 1:51pm
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One of my hiwalls was Ron Longs first Schuetzen rifle. That makes It special and rare. The fact that it's not marked so makes it super rare!

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My 32-40 High Wall was throated for breach seating by Westerner.  Very rare indeed.  He must have sprinkled some magic schuetzen dust on it too since it shoots really well!

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bpjack wrote on Jan 13th, 2016 at 11:29pm:
My 32-40 High Wall was throated for breach seating by Westerner.  Very rare indeed.  He must have sprinkled some magic schuetzen dust on it too since it shoots really well!

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Sounds like you are highly recommending Westerner throats. Think it would help my Stevens-Pope? Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #14 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 8:24pm
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Mine is a Westerner Quilcene throat.  Not the same as a Westerner Arco throat.  Something to do with the humidity I bet!

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