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neches Participating Member Offline Posts: 37 Location: Hughes Springs, TX Joined: Jan 20^th, 2014	early Winchester High Wall info and questions Nov 29^th, 2015 at 11:21am	Print Post
	How rare are the early octagon frame top receivers and secondly how rare being a 30 inch octagon barrel in 44-40 also? Serial number is 1,5XX. Frome what info I have found the octagon top was thought to be between serial number 2,000 to 7,000
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neches Participating Member Offline Posts: 37 Location: Hughes Springs, TX Joined: Jan 20^th, 2014	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #1 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 12:02pm	Print Post
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16280 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #2 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 4:41pm	Print Post
	There may indeed be a lot more within that serial number range, but according to John Campbell's book the octagon tops show up occasionally well over 100,000 serial number ranges. He felt that the early octagon top receivers were set aside when the change to round tops occurred, and later used to supply orders from people who requested the octagon top receiver as a special order, or if a gun was a more deluxe gun and it would be appropriate to use the fancier receiver. My octagon top Special Sporting was in the 27xx range.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1692 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #3 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 5:03pm	Print Post
	Like Marlinguy says; there are probably more than we think. I've had two. Quite a few of the early ones had small shank barrel like yours probably has since it's in 44-40. The one I still have is a large shank, octagon top, thin wall with a serial #189X. Yours looks to be in nice shape. Bob


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podufa Full Member Offline Posts: 182 Location: Maine Joined: Dec 30^th, 2007	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #4 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:52pm	Print Post
	Seems odd they marked the caliber like that,I thought they marked them 44 WCF


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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #5 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	I have an early serial # 800 Octagon top receiver that also has the small shank Barrel size. Like a Lowall. When I bought it it had a barrel in .222 Rem with a extractor that was loose on the pin and had a small flat spring to let it ride over the Rimless shell and engage for Extraction. Worked fine, gun just did not shoot worth a crap. Then on examination found very faintly under the Forend .22H. So I was shooting the wrong weight bullet's. So then I got frustrated and had it barrelled by Douglas in 30-30 with a 16" twist. Planning to shoot Light weight bullets and drive them hard. Then found that these small shank Hiwall were built for pistol cartridges and were suspicious for strength. Supposedly were only built during first year production. HTH Regards, FITZ.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16280 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #6 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	Mine was a large shank .32-40, but caliber was stamped, not engraved as yours is. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2921 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #7 - Dec 31^st, 2015 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	Wonder if that is the original barrel? Have you ask the Cody museum for a letter?

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FITZ Oldtimer Offline REGARDS Posts: 917 Location: MASSACHUSETTS Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #8 - Dec 31^st, 2015 at 7:43pm	Print Post
	After noticing this post and my reply I remembered I have another early Highwall. This one is Serial #818. It is a Large Shank thread, and an Octagon Top receiver. Straight Grip. The fact that it is so close to my Small Shank, Octagon Top serial # 800 lends me to believe that at that time they were assembling Rifles practically to order. By the way the first one mentioned here the serial # is Script. The barrel is lost to history as I got this as a Action only. Also I have somewhere been told or have read that these were 1st Year production by the Numbers. HTH Regards, FITZ.

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neches Participating Member Offline Posts: 37 Location: Hughes Springs, TX Joined: Jan 20^th, 2014	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #9 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the input gentlemen.


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #10 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 9:12am	Print Post
	It is required for all Winchester sellers to include the word rare somewhere in the description. 40 Rod


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11518 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #11 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	One of my hiwalls was Ron Longs first Schuetzen rifle. That makes It special and rare. The fact that it's not marked so makes it super rare! Joe.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2842 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #12 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:29pm	Print Post
	My 32-40 High Wall was throated for breach seating by Westerner. Very rare indeed. He must have sprinkled some magic schuetzen dust on it too since it shoots really well! Jack

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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #13 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 1:48am	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 11:29pm: My 32-40 High Wall was throated for breach seating by Westerner. Very rare indeed. He must have sprinkled some magic schuetzen dust on it too since it shoots really well! Jack Sounds like you are highly recommending Westerner throats. Think it would help my Stevens-Pope?

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2842 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: early Winchester High Wall info and questions Reply #14 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:24pm	Print Post
	Mine is a Westerner Quilcene throat. Not the same as a Westerner Arco throat. Something to do with the humidity I bet! Jack

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