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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3549 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #15 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	Having been a cabinet maker for a while (long, long ago), my thought was similar to Vall's. Then I wondered if doing the screw hole his way, but using some dense foam filler in the big holes might not be a good method. Anybody do that before? That way if you really wanted to- can't imagine why- you could just dig it out and revert to dowels. Just sitting here in a snow storm with nothing on my little mind. Happy Thanksgiving from one of the turkeys............... Pat


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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #16 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 1:43pm	Print Post
	I've been in contact with Curt Hardcastle and he is willing to fix it. I haven't decided if I am going to have him fix it yet though. I am a little worried about causing more damage and potentially splitting the stock. I'll mull this one over for a few days and then give him a call next week. Thanks for your thoughts.


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gunlaker Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2260 Location: lower mainland, B.C. Joined: Dec 13^th, 2010	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #17 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	I would trust Curt if he is confident that he can fix it for you. I bought a nice Borchardt that he built and it is very well done. That is a beautiful rifle by the way Chris.


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Zack T Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 354 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2010	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #18 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	Engrave and refinish !!??? Poor rifle has spent the last century earning that nice mellow look. Like getting a boob job for your grandmother.


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #19 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:38pm	Print Post
	But there are a few foxy grandmothers out there

	"some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3549 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #20 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 8:20pm	Print Post
	Yeah, but this rifle is like a foxy grandmother that doesn't need the boob job. Perfect as it is.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #21 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:27am	Print Post
	Zack T wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 5:30pm: Poor rifle has spent the last century earning that nice mellow look. How do you know that? The rebarrel could have been done as recently as 25yr ago, but no one knows. As the OP stated, it does not 'letter', so may not an original. Beautiful wood and the metal could be brought back to match it.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3549 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #22 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:33am	Print Post
	The statement that it's been back twice must have come from somewhere. Plenty have been lettered with the original specs noted, but the changes afterward, while from Winchester, are not noted in the shipping books. That seems to me to be an acceptable rifle that was probably done by the good folks in New Haven. Anyhow, it'd be a shame to mess with it, and I commend his choice to not change a thing. Happy Thanksgiving, guys. You all add a bunch to what I'm grateful for.


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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #23 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:08pm	Print Post
	I have been talking with our own resident 1885 expert Bert H. about the originality of this barrel. He does not think that Winchester put this barrel on the gun. I don't know who put it on there but I think that it has been on there for a long time. If you were putting a new 22 barrel on this gun in the last 100 years you would have put a 22 lr barrel on it right? The fact that the bore looks old and that it is 22 short suggests to me that this was rebarrelled a long time ago. Perhaps that is faulty logic but it's the logic I'm using.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11439 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #24 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	It's a neat old rifle with a set trigger. I want it bad! Joe.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1668 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #25 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	What's interesting is that the markings .22 short don't appear to line up at 12 o'clock but that the #3 stamp at the bottom of the barrel lines up with the center of ebony insert. I'd fix the hole is in the stock and leave it as it is Bob


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Spud Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 494 Location: Australia Oz Joined: Feb 24^th, 2005	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #26 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:26pm	Print Post
	Hello Chawk. Really nice rifle. We get a lot of Winchester High & Low walls out here in Australia that were rebarreled at some point later in their life with a Winchester barrel shipped out from the factory and fitted by a local gunsmith (too far & too much trouble to send the rifle back for work...everything went by sea back in those days!!). We refer to them here as "postal barrels" because they carry a stamp with a P inside a circle (not to be confused with the Win proof mark), usually at rear of barrel on top. Does your barrel have this stamp? Interesting too, that it is a nickel steel barrel in .22 short. I'd listen to what Bert H says, he's been a great help identifying our Winchester SS rifles downunder. I have a HW in .303 Brit (Win #3 rd nickel steel barrel with "postal stamp") that has similar but neater large holes drilled in the stock & they were filled with about 1 lb of lead shot to make the rifle heavier. Perhaps the guy who put that #3 barrel on yours was trying to balance up the rifle for off hand shooting. I'd leave the external finish the way it is. Great rifle! Spud


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16052 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #27 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Old-Win wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 1:50pm: What's interesting is that the markings .22 short don't appear to line up at 12 o'clock but that the #3 stamp at the bottom of the barrel lines up with the center of ebony insert. I'd fix the hole is in the stock and leave it as it is Bob Just sold a XXX wood deluxe Low Wall in .22 Short, with small Swiss buttplate. Very similar gun, except mine was ordered with no checkering. The caliber was not on the top flat at 12 o'clock on mine either, but barrel number was by the ebony insert. The caliber .22 Short was on the 45 degree left flat on mine. Mine also was sent back to the factory in 1909 to be changed from a #2 half octagon 24" barrel, to a 28" full octagon #1 weight barrel. All detailed in the factory letter, which is unusual to have that detail of a return for repair.

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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #28 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:59pm	Print Post
	There is no P stamp on this barrel anywhere. 22 short is at 12:00. If it looks otherwise then it is just an illusion caused by the photo. Research continues... Val: I'd love to see some photos of that rifle. You were very lucky to have the rebarrel documented by the factory.


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2828 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Deluxe Low Wall #3 barrel Reply #29 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	Don't give up on the Short. CCI Target Shorts are competitive in gallery shooting until you get in the 1200 class. I think you have the makings of a great gallery rifle. You need to upgrade the sights to allow a bit better adjustment (either a windage front or a Soule-type gallery tang). From there, it is just practice and more practice.


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