Hi all,

I've been periodically reading this forum through google searches for years. Recently joined so I can search better and look at the pretty pictures. There sure is a lot of good stuff here.

So, My recent registering was prompted partially by an old thread on the .25 Schuetzen wildcat that 4D has in their reamer inventory. I'm working on a project and it seems suitable (new barrel on an old Stevens 101 shotgun action). 

The old posts I found here on this cartridge referred to one person's BSed loads of a 100+grain bullet and enough AA#9 to stick cases after a few firings. I'm hoping that in the intervening several years, someone else has loaded it lighter and they'd be willing to share any of their load data. 

Additionally, I'd be glad to hear of any loads anyone has for Longo's short .25 Hornet variant meant for Favorite actions (besides what De Haas lists in his cartridge book) as this seems like a comparable starting place for load development in the Schuetzen at pressure levels that wouldn'd spontaneously disassemble a rifle originally built for a .44 shot cartridge.

Thanks in advance for your help 

I was going to say, why don't you go with the 25-20 WCF and a falling block action like a 44 1/2 or a Win Lowall. Then I got to thinking how weird I am and how I love doing weird things others would never dream of. Never mind, be weird. I love it. But remember, you're basically on your own. Most weird people are free thinkers with no boundaries and no predictable path. Most who give advice here will try to steer you onto the path of normal.  If your're six feet four with twenty inch biceps and named Marlene, you certainly have me beat for weird. Who am I to tell you to be normal? No, not me.   

             Joe.

I'm a great fan of the Stevens 101 action, but I have to say that it's not at all up to the pressures needed for modern Schuetzen.   Frank deHaas opined that it might be OK for .38 Special if the loads were kept light.  Which I infer means 8000 psi vs. 16,000+ necessary for quarterbore Schuetzen cartridges.   

Joe, How about 5 foot 6 with 20 inch biceps?  Is that weird? 

Thanks all for the replies.

For those who may have misunderstood me, .25 Schuetzen is the name of a little wildcat cartridge based on the .32 H&R case. I do not intend to shoot modern schuetzen with this rifle.

I'm playing with this case in a weak action, so I'm looking for any reference points I can find for low pressure loads in .25 caliber cartridges with less capacity than the full length .25 Hornet. 

I'm not a tiny thing, but I'm neither basketball of height nor blacksmith of bicep.

Thanks for the input bnice, yours was the load I noticed in an old thread. the .327 brass is not a bad thought, although anything that is too much for H&R brass is too much for the action I'm building on.

When you shot it, did you form your own brass? I ask because today I was crudely forming up a case to carry around in my pocket and think about, and noticed how easy it was to accidentally anneal the head on a case that small. Any chance you got brass already softened by accident?

My version of Quickload shows the 25 Hornet to have a maximum pressure of 40,000 and a case capacity of 16.5 gr of water to the top of the case.  Not sure how they come up with the pressure as they say method of measurement is "wildcat".  It shows the 25WCF as 39160 psi and case capacity of 19.0 grains.  Tom

Unless one has marginal chamber wall thickness breech thrust is the critical issue. 
units are inches for base, psi for pressure and lbs for thrust

cartridge      base dia      pressure           thrust
hornet      0.298              40000           2788
218 bee      0.349      40000           3825
45-70      0.5055      18000           3611
45-70      0.5055      28000           5617
50 us carbine 0.5694    18000             4581
30-30              0.4215       38000           5579
357 max      0.379              40000           4510
32-40              0.424               30000           4234
30-06              0.471              60000          10449
.22 LR      0.223              24000             937
348 Win      0.5629      40000           9949
50-70 Spng 0.565      22500           5638
0.308              0.471              60000          10449
30-30             0.4125      42000            5610
32 H&R Mag 0.327      21000           1763
32 Fed Mag       0.327      45000            3777

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