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Nov 13th, 2015 at 6:45am
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both my 40/72 and 45/2.4 have proven to shoot well with a case droptubed full of black powder and about a 1/8" airgap.
this is using bullets patched to bore diameter or 0.001 bigger.
the question is whether filling that airgap with a greased felt or other wad would affect accuracy or not.
the idea of this is to transfer full shock to the bullet, maximizing bumpup in order to get the best confetti to clear the bullet a.s.a.p.
I have been told that it would be better to seat the bullet further in, use the wad as suggested, and retain the airgap for best accuracy.
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Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 10:50am
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My experience is you just dont know until you try it. I have one gun that likes a full column and another that likes a huge airgap.

I think generally though if you fill the airgap with cushy wads the bullet will experience more of a push and less of a thump as when the column has some space to develop enertia before it smacks into the base of the bullet
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 10:59am
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Bruce I have a few rifles that I shoot breech seated PP bullets in.  My findings are much like yours, assuming I understand correctly, in that the bullet is seated pretty deep in the chamber.  More so than with a groove diameter bullet.   I use a 0.030" wad to hold the powder down, and seat a 0.060" LDPE wad with the bullet.  There is always a significant air gap of 1/8 or so.  I tried briefly in one of my .32-40's to fill the airap with a felt wad.  There seemed to be no change in accuracy so I stopped doing that.

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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 11:51am
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I found out I'm nor really breechseating with my 32-20 - classic throat and 16:1 lead/tin alloy.  The best I can do with the Pope bullets is have the base level with the case mouth - I don't have enough leverage to force the bullet any deeper.  This is with a plugged case, BTW.
Still, I'm getting where I want it to be accuracy-wise, slowly but surely...   This with BP, of course.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 3:04pm
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I have often wondered if it is the length of airgap that tunes the load, or the relationship of the base of the bullet to the leade/transition.
sometimes you think you have arrived, but when you look up this usually means that you have only arrived at the bottom of the mountain and you have to start climbing.
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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 5:29pm
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Bruce I suspect, but don't know, that it's just about getting that bore diameter bullet far enough into the bore that it only has to take up the grooves and not try to fill a larger volume in the leade.  It is pretty easy to get good results that way though eh?

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Reply #6 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 5:50pm
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chris,
that is my suspicion also.
getting lead bullets across transitions and leades is just a variable that you eliminate.
really it does not matter why.
as long as the results pan out as hoped.
I am surprised that no big names in breech seating are chiming in here as hoped.
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Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 7:24pm
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I think that there are very few people that breech seat bore diameter PP bullets with BP.  Other than you, Kurt, and I, i haven't ever heard anyone mention it.   

I first started it after having a gunsmith mess up a chamber by cutting it way off of the axis of the bore.  It was the only way I could get that rifle to shoot. 

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Reply #8 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 2:10am
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chris,
that is a pity.
it was done and understood in the day to the extent that it was not written much about due to the assumption that it was normal.
if more people tried it they would see the great improvement in accuracy over fixed ammo that was taken advantage of by both scheutzen and creedmoor shooters.
the most probable reasons modern people avoid it are both urban myth and it makes brains hurt.
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Reply #9 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 2:19am
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To be fair,  Depending on the competition, It isn't always allowed to breechseat.   Some competitions either forbid it or don't allow enough time for it.
HBSA comps in the UK will allow it for match rifles only.
  
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