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25-20 SS bullet
Nov 1st, 2015 at 2:56pm
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I have a 25-20 Model 44 Stevens rifle that's been seriously reworked for safety, and the barrel's been relined. Barrel length is 24" and twist is 1-15.
Will a Hoch .257 105 gr. .848-long breech-seat bullet work in this rifle? I question it. Seems too heavy and too long for the twist.
Agreed? Any suggestions for a more appropriate bullet? Mold? Any load suggestions will also be very much appreciated. This is my first foray into the world of quarter bores.
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Reply #1 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 4:36pm
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Twist is to slow for the Hoch bullet.  80-90 grain should work. 

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Reply #2 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:28pm
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I would suggest the 257420, with the GC reamed off for ASSRA or ISSA matches, it would be about right for the 15 twist. If you don't shoot matches, shoot it as is with a GC installed. I wouldn't expect much (accept for leading) if you shoot it w/o the GC, not reamed.

This would be a good one but, more expensive (they don't have Alum. in stock) and would be my first choice and no GC to ream off.

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Reply #3 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:58pm
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Frank, why are most NOE bullets at least two thow to big?  .260?  Noe has a lot of nice designs and well made molds. Bullets are to big. Bugs me, man!

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Reply #4 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 9:38pm
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I have an original Stevens 44 1/2 in .25-20 SS and it is a 13 twist..

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Reply #5 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:16am
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westerner wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:58pm:
Frank, why are most NOE bullets at least two thow to big?  .260?  Noe has a lot of nice designs and well made molds. Bullets are to big. Bugs me, man!

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NOE makes his mold for ALL types of lead shooting, including 25 cal air rifles. As you know, I've designed a few molds for them and in order to get at least 10 buyers, you have to TRY to please 10 or more people. That is EXTREMELY hard to do. Many of the people on the Cast Boolit site, want large bullets, to size down to what ever size they choose. CBA shooters usually like larger bullets, too. NOE, when they run a mold, want all the buyers they can get. When I ran the 33 cal mold buy, I also had to please people shooting 338-'06, 338 Federal and 33 Win and 338 Win Mag plus a few Schuetzen.

I can get a mold made to any size I want, even the PJ 236 gr but, there has to be 10 guys to agree to buy it.

There are to few people on this site to make up a order to get a mold started plus, you will have to please at least 10 and get them to agree. It's hard enough to get 2 people to agree Smiley I tried to get a 30 & 32 cal, schuetzen mold going here, thinking that covering both calibers would make it easy but, onlt 4 people were interested.

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Reply #6 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:21am
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The standard 25/20ss Stevens twist is one turn in 13". If you have a different twist rate than that, it special order or rebarreled.

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Reply #7 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 8:22am
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1 in 15 is a kinda unusual twist even for a reline, but if that is what it is it will shoot standard 85 grain .25 bullets. I know because I had a .25-20 on a Maynard and it had a 15 inch twist and shot them fine. Standard twist for most stevens .25's was 1 in 13" Some early ones were 1 in 14". Check and make sure that the bullet is .001" or .002" over the groove diameter and you should be fine.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 11:16am
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Thank you everyone! All your replies are helpful in a number of different ways. That's what I like about this forum. Certainly, the 105 gr. bullet's too big, but given all the info you've shared, the NOE mold seems the best way to go. My lubrisizer will work fine on those bullets. I don't expect to be involved in any really heavy duty competition, my eyes are 78 just like the rest of me, but we have some fun winter shoots here in Cody, and I don't expect to embarrass myself too horrifically.
Thanks again, all of you, Smiley
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Reply #9 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 12:32pm
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Dave,
I had the same problem with my original Stevens 44, 13 twist, 25/20ss. My problem was 2 fold.

1. The factory rifling was shallow, it measured .250 bore and .254 groove.

2. The begining of the throat was eroded on one side, more than the other.

In about 10 range sessions, I could only get it to shoot about 6+ inches at 200, so I sold it and told the guy (on this forum) the problems I had.

Check the bore and groove and BS a larger bullet and push it out, to check the throat.

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Reply #10 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 4:14pm
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frnkeore wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:16am:
westerner wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:58pm:
Frank, why are most NOE bullets at least two thow to big?  .260?  Noe has a lot of nice designs and well made molds. Bullets are to big. Bugs me, man!

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Joe,
NOE makes his mold for ALL types of lead shooting, including 25 cal air rifles. As you know, I've designed a few molds for them and in order to get at least 10 buyers, you have to TRY to please 10 or more people. That is EXTREMELY hard to do. Many of the people on the Cast Boolit site, want large bullets, to size down to what ever size they choose. CBA shooters usually like larger bullets, too. NOE, when they run a mold, want all the buyers they can get. When I ran the 33 cal mold buy, I also had to please people shooting 338-'06, 338 Federal and 33 Win and 338 Win Mag plus a few Schuetzen.

I can get a mold made to any size I want, even the PJ 236 gr but, there has to be 10 guys to agree to buy it.

There are to few people on this site to make up a order to get a mold started plus, you will have to please at least 10 and get them to agree. It's hard enough to get 2 people to agree Smiley I tried to get a 30 & 32 cal, schuetzen mold going here, thinking that covering both calibers would make it easy but, onlt 4 people were interested.

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Reply #11 - Nov 2nd, 2015 at 6:29pm
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I've found that most shooters having trouble getting factory barreled Stevens rifles to shoot is because they measure the groove diameter incorrectly. These rifles have flat bottomed rifling. If you draw a little sketch you can see where the problem comes up. The thing is that the largest groove diameter is across the corners of the lands of the slug not across the middle where it would be if it had Enfield style rifling. The correct groove diameter for nearly every Stevens I have seen is .2585 The bullets must be at least that big to have any chance of shooting good.
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 12:56am
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I have an early one. Oddly enough it likes .257.
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:11am
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I've mentioned this before, but I have a Stevens Model 47 with a 44 action.  Had it since 1968.  Factory mark is ".25-20", but the twist is 17" and it has .248 bore and what seems to be .252 groove.  IIRC, those are the specs for the .25 RF.  Special order or just sloppy work?

It seems to shoot better with 80 or 90 grain bullets than it does with the 60 grainers.
  
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