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Help identify German single shot falling block
Oct 28th, 2015 at 4:24pm
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Pick this up at Morphy Auction, About all they could tell me, Was it was an 7.62 mm something. It has an g h initial on the barrel, with 7.6 M/M,  9.24,  431 ??  Some one posted a photo that looked like this rifle, a month are so ago, stating it was their hunting rifle. Any help with information on this stalking rife will be greatly appreciated.. Bonner
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Re: Help identify German single shot falling block
Reply #1 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 4:40pm
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BONNER:
    I think it is very likely that this rifle is a target rifle of the type called "feld-stutzer", made for shooting at running-deer type targets.   If so, the caliber will almost certainly be 8.15x46R, which is not incompatible with the proof stamp of 7.6mm, the gaged bore diameter.  Main indicator is the rear sight, which is more sophisticated than the usual hunting sight.
The other numbers will be month and year of proof, and serial #.

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Reply #2 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 4:41pm
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It looks to be one of the later versions of the Aydt with internal extractor and in 8.15x46R.
  
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Re: Help identify German single shot falling block
Reply #3 - Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:06pm
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It certainly is a stalking rifle, I have one much like it. The bore on mine slugs .309, the tightest of any of my German rifles. I doubt it is an Adyt. The block is not visible from the side as it is on the Adyt, but then I am no expert.
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Reply #4 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 12:35am
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You're mostly correct yamoon. It is not an Aydt but you can see the block. What you don't see is the pin end in the center of the front edge of the receiver marking the hinge point of the long L-shaped block characteristic of an Aydt derivative.
  
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Re: Help identify German single shot falling block
Reply #5 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 1:18am
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It is a very different action type but, if that is a hinge pin at the back of the lever, it will be a derivative of the System Will.

Pictured is my two Will's and the drawing for that type system. The one in question would match the basic system, the main difference being the higher side walls.

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Re: Help identify German single shot falling block
Reply #6 - Oct 29th, 2015 at 7:48am
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yamoon wrote on Oct 28th, 2015 at 7:06pm:
It certainly is a stalking rifle, I have one much like it. The bore on mine slugs .309, the tightest of any of my German rifles. I doubt it is an Adyt. The block is not visible from the side as it is on the Adyt, but then I am no expert.
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Agree, a hunting (Stalking) rifle and not meant for target work. And my first thought on seeing it was that it might be a Lechner or some derivative thereof.

Very nice shape! The 9.24 is the date of manufacture; not sure what the 431 refers to.
  
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Re: Help identify German single shot falling block
Reply #7 - Oct 31st, 2015 at 10:59pm
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Thanks for all of the information on the rifle. Chamber cast says it is a 8.15x46R. Does anyone use this type rifle for target shooting at 100 yards?  What grain bullet? Thanks Bonner
  
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Re: Help identify German single shot falling block
Reply #8 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 1:54am
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You can shoot these rifles in any ISSA or ASSRA match. ISSA has 2 or 3 matches a year, strictly for these rifles (Euro Schuetzen), two 10 shot targets, shot OH at 200 yards. You can shoot it at any 100 yard match, OH or BR in ASSRA matches.

In BR, it won't be to competitive, using the traditional stop ring bullet but, it can hold it's own in OH, if you are competitive, shooting that way.

If you will shoot it breech seated, with some developement, you could have a competive rifle (top 10%).

I've done fairly well with mine BSed BR. It's my OH rifle for both AS & IS but, I'm not a good OH shooter.

My groove is .316 and I use 30 cal Lyman molds, that cast .314 (311413 is a good one) and I ream a .317 base band on them.

I've had very good 5 shot groups @ 100, using both 296/H110 & 4227. 11.0 gr of 296 and 12.0 gr of 4227, will get you started.

The most common twist rate is 360mm or 14.2", grooves run from .314 to .323. .316 seems to be very common.

The stocks like mine has, are not easy to shoot BR, because of the drop but, yours should be easy to shoot BR.

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Re: Help identify German single shot falling block
Reply #9 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 3:25am
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FYI: Steve Earle makes a clamp-on scope adapter that will allow you to mount a Lyman or Unertl (or similar) scope on your stalking rifle without having to drill the barrel for the screws.

Worth the money, especially if you're going to shoot in matches with the gun.

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Re: Help identify German single shot falling block
Reply #10 - Nov 1st, 2015 at 5:01pm
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As has been noted, 9.24 refers to the proof dates (September, 1924) and the 431 denotes that this rifle is 431st gun proofed in that month.
Nice find!

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